Topic: samba

[krustykev]

What is samba for? How do i set it up?

[Bob Todd]

I've answered this in the general forum - dont cross post, it just annoys people, unless of course you dont get an answer to your first post.

[Charlie Brady]

Bob Todd wrote:

> I've answered this in the general forum - dont cross post, it
> just annoys people, unless of course you dont get an answer
> to your first post.

No Bob, cross-posting annoys people, even if someone didn't get an answer to their first post.

Charlie

[Bob Todd]

I stand corrected

[Cyrus Bharda]

So what happens when I post in the General, then some poeple who only check the Experienced forum might be able to answer, but because it wasnt posted in the Experienced then they miss out.  I am sorry if it is annoying, but I always double post just so I can maximise the responce. Obviously if it is quite a noobie question then I dont bother the Experienced with it, but I always double post my questions, sorry in advanced if it annoys you.

Cyrus Bharda

[Dan Brown]

I'd expect that 90+% of those who might be able to help do what I do, which is have the forums delivered via e-mail.  The rest tend to browse both forums.

[Cyrus Bharda]

So how do you get the forums delevered via email?

Cyrus Bharda <-----NOOB

[Michael Smith]

So how are you getting to each forum without having the link to receive via email staring you right in the face?  I don't think there ARE any forum pages that don't have the links at the bottom, but just in case ...

http://www.e-smith.org/bboard/search.php#fora-list

I think the original poster is a troll ... I mean really, "what is samba?  how do I set it up?"  Either that, or he is TRULY a newbie and never has even used Google.  If that's the case, Kev, then get out there and FIND STUFF OUT!

samba.org is the #1 hit when googling for "samba"!

Not that this attitude of "I'm a newbie but can't be bothered to do ANY research myself" isn't commonplace ... I enjoy reading comp.networks and have made a few, I hope useful, contributions there ... but I do get angry when I see "Hi, I'm new to networking but need to set up a LAN w/server-to-server VPN to a remote site, plus set up three computer labs with secure access to an old Novell server, could you design my entire network for me and hold my hand through the entire process?  And by the way I don't want to spend any money on an IT professional because they're all greedy and don't know anything.  Thanks in advance for helping out this newbie!"

Phooey.  The Internet is a great resource but come on people, if you want help from the experienced you have to do SOME of the work yourself!

Okay, I'll go dunk my head in a bucket of icewater now.

P.S. "Sorry in advance if it annoys you" doesn't absolve, either.  Crossposting stinks.

[krustykev]

maybe you and i should take the time to cross paths

[Michael Smith]

If that's Oz-speak for "I'm going to drive to your house and kick your ass" please do, only you'll have to FLY to my house.  If you come halfway around the world to kick my ass, I'll buy you a beer.  Can't get much fairer than that, now can I?

[krustykev]

now that gets me laughing and that i like. Not my fault i don't know much about linux. Only been using a computer for 12 months. At least i am willing to try it. Sorry about the vauge questions will try harder next time

[Michael Smith]

That's all anybody could ask for.  None of us were born knowing this stuff ... I don't know 1/20th of what a lot of the people that post here regularly know, which is why I lurk a lot and post a little.  When I come across something I don't know anything about, I Google first and ask questions later.  Google is your friend.

[Greg Zartman]

I've been watching this thread with some interest.  That is, I find it interesting that a person would ask a very relevant question about SME server and get flamed for doing it.  

Michael, you are way out of line for calling Krustykev a troll.  I think the contrary is very true.   Who cares what google does or does not produce.  Krustykev posted a simple question that is 100% on topic.   Heck, if I goto the Samba main page, it defines Samba as: "Samba is an Open Source/Free Software suite that provides seamless file and print services to SMB/CIFS clients. "    Now that makes a WHOLE LOT of sense to a person that comes from a 100% windows background.....   Krustykev, if you want an honest explanation of Samba, please feel free to email me offlist and I would be more than happy to give you a quick summary.

Cross posting is one thing,  and as Charlie pointed out is almost always annoying.  Posting a relevant question about an SME service is NEVER annoying.  Michael, you need to grow up and deal with it.  This is an open source forum for discussing technical topics about Mitel SME server. If you don't like what you see, my suggestion would be not to browse the forum.  

Respectfully,

Greg Zartman

[Dan Brown]

Actually, Greg, it isn't really a relevant question about the SME server.  Yes, SME uses Samba, but a complete SME newbie isn't likely to know that.  Somebody who's used it a bit and/or played with Linux a bit would have heard the name and probably have a general clue of what it is.  I'm not quite sure where Krustykev fits in.  In any case, that doesn't seem to be what prompted Michael's "flame".

Michael's message came directly after "how do I have the forums e-mailed to me"; as you're aware, the answer to that question is on the top of EVERY page that you could post a message from.  The answer was literally staring him in the face, but he didn't see it.  Now, that happens to all of us at times (I know it's happened to me), but it can still be a bit frustrating to the person who's being asked.  That, combined with the cross-posting, combined with arguing about cross-posting, combined with an initial question that shows a curious combination of knowledge (heard of Samba) and lack of knowledge (no clue of what it is), could pretty reasonably lead to the conclusion that he's trolling.  I'm not saying I agree, but it's not so very far out of line.

I can't agree that "posting a relevant question about the SME server is never annoying."  I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to make an attempt at answering their own questions--at a minimum, to read the manual and search the forums.  A Google search would be a really good idea as well.  Not only does this avoid needlessly annoying other people, it's also (often) the quickest way to find your answer.  If the answer is in TFM, a response of RTFM isn't entirely out of line.  It's not very nice (depending on how it's delivered), but it does still help the person who asks.

[Greg Zartman]

> Actually, Greg, it isn't really a relevant question about the
> SME server.

Dan, I'd have to disagree.  If asking a question about Samba here is off-topic where else would one ask it?  Sure you could goto the Samba mailing list and ask the question, but that is a bit rough.   Maybe it is a little annoying to see such elementary question being asked, but I know I would have answered it if I'd seen the post before everyone started jumping in about cross posting and what not.

> sure where Krustykev fits in.  In any case, that doesn't seem
> to be what prompted Michael's "flame".

I thought Michael's flame was prompted by him already posting a reply in the general forum and the ease at which he was able to get information about samba on google.
 
> I can't agree that "posting a relevant question about the SME
> server is never annoying."  I don't think it's unreasonable

It's very easy to hit the delete key, or simply ignore the message (as I should have done with this thread.  )  )  This forum doesn't see that many stupid questions.  I can make a fairly long list of groups I've listened in on that get far more newbie questions than this one.   Coincidentally, have a look at the Samba mailing list archive.  Look at how many times people ask the same questions over and over and over.    

I did learn something new as the result of this thread:   Troll = a person trolling for information..    Good one!!!

Greg