Topic: Join XP to Domain

[Walter Padgett]

Good Evening one and all!!!

I finally put all the pieces together. After looking high and low using every kind of word combination possible. Here's the steps I did after installing SME v5.6:

1. After reading http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=17646.msg68891#msg68891 and following that thread branching out to others, I found the link to Darrell's Samba how-to: http://mirror.contribs.org/smeserver/contribs/dmay/mitel/howto/samba-howto.html
2. After following the very professional looking how-to by Mr. May, I followed the suggestion by Sterling in the thread mentioned above about changing the root smbpasswd. I don't know if this affected anything but that's the way I did it.
3. After beating my head on the wall for awhile, I used the batch user contrib to add the computer netbios names as users setting their password the same as the root's password. I understand this might not exactly be wise, but again, this is how I did it.
4. After this, I was able to successfully add the computers to the domain.
5. While adding the computers to the domain, I did the following reghack before rebooting.
REGHACK:
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\netlogon\parameters]
"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Netlogon\Parameters]
"requirestrongkey"=dword:00000000
"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet002\Services\Netlogon\Parameters]
"requirestrongkey"=dword:00000000
"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters]
"requirestrongkey"=dword:00000000
"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000

This is a mix of things I found by default on the SME box and in the message phorum.
6. After all this, it worked like a charm with one exception.

Here's the exception, there is a file named Desktop in the startup group and it puts the following out on the screen in the notepad program:

[.ShellClassInfo]
LocalizedResourceName=@%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll,-21787

Any ideas on that?

Also, is there a way to have one user (the teacher) have access to all the student folders? For the easiest implementation of this, I would assume that I would put the teacher(s) in one group and give that group rights to the student folders?

There might be one other way to do this and that is to create a public folder in which the students put their files in it for the teacher to grade. Now to twist this coin a little further, when a user puts files in his home folder, isn't there a way to have this published through the web server portion of this SME server-only server? It's some kind of Macromedia presentation of sorts that can be viewed through the web browser. Any ideas?

Thanks for all the help!!!!!

A penny for your thoughts,

Wally

[Guck Puppy]

Walter Padgett wrote:

> There might be one other way to do this and that is to create
> a public folder in which the students put their files in it
> for the teacher to grade. Now to twist this coin a little
> further, when a user puts files in his home folder, isn't
> there a way to have this published through the web server
> portion of this SME server-only server? It's some kind of
> Macromedia presentation of sorts that can be viewed through
> the web browser. Any ideas?

http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=5501.msg19392#msg19392

G

[Scott]

To have access to all the students folders you
could use the group function. You could
also use rsync to syncronize the files in the
students folders with the files in the teachers
folder. Any changes made should cause rsync
to update the folder that is outdated. Doing this
though, you would want to set up subfolders in
the teacher folder so that you can have each
subfolder named by the date that the files were
submitted by the student. This would provide
greater control and allow you to determine if the
work was handed in on time or not. For my folder
rotation suggestion to work, you need to make
sure that the files placed on the server are dated
by the server and not by the client. That way a
student who was late can't change the date on
the client and appear to have handed the paper
in on time.

Of course, the next question is how do you implement
all of this?

Answer:( Sorry, I'm not that good yet. But I'm sure
that there is a way.

Try the following:

rsync.org
everythinglinux.org/rsync/
sunsite.dk/info/guides/rsync/rsync-mirroring.html

Good Luck.

[Walter Padgett]

Good Evening,

I'm going to work up a how-to on this whole thing to hopefully provide a guide for others and myself when I forget. I don't know that I'm going go through your suggestions Scott but was poking around trying to figure out a straightforward way of sharing folders. I'm assuming that if I create an i-bay I can assign permissions to it in such a way that it is a public share on the server. The reason for putting on big share on the server is to setup Office 2k/XP on the share to centrally deploy the software among others. I'm going to be working on this process some more tomorrow and hopefully will have some more answers but was wondering if anyone had anything straight out of the box that could point me in the right direction.

Still looking for the answer to getting the eth0 in a server-only setup to obtain an IP address from a DHCP server.

I appreciate all the assistance so far and hope my simple how-to earlier in this thread has helped some folks.

Later,

Wally

[brian kirk]

Wally did you ever sort out the
LocalizedResourceName=@%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll,-21787
message? I am getting it on joining the domain.
Regards
Brian

[Walter Padgett]

Good Evening,

No Brian, I haven't figured out why it does that. My first inclination was that it was some sort of indicator that the user was logged into multiple machines but this is not the case.

On some other notes though. I finally setup a server and I have it manage a couple of printers. Here's the layout:

Printer 1 - HP LJ 4050N connected to the LPT1 of the server.
Printer 2 - HP LJ 4600N connected directly to the network but managed by the server.

I go to the workstations and add the 4050N printer first, so it will be the default. I do this while logged on as admin. It asks me to manually find the printer driver and I select the correct one. (BTW how does one put the drivers on the server so that one doesn't have to run around with the driver disk?) After setting up the first printer I then double click on the 4600N and it automatically sets it up with the correct driver. After logging off and logging on as a regular user, I only see the 4050N and not the 4600N. I can setup the 4600N as a regular user but this is not how I would like doing it. Arrghhh....

Along these same lines, I have roaming profiles on. The user can setup the 4600N and it will stay regardless of which workstation they log into. A user can also setup the unit to their preferences concerning the themes, backgrounds, etc. It will keep the theme. I didn't deal with the screensaver. It says that the correct background is supposed to be displayed but it doesn't display it.

A penny for your thoughts,

Wally

[brian kirk]

Wally have you sorted the printers?
For setting up the 4050 I would suggest logging in as each user and setting up
the printer - especially as roaming prof are on. My understanding is that
printers are generally user specific.
To put drivers drivers on the server you open the printer properties and I
think the second tab along has an area with 'additional drivers' (this may vary
depending on the server OS), all you have to do is tick the OS you want to add,
provide the driver cd for the server to assimilate and it should then store
them in spool\drivers folder and hand them out to the correct client OS on
demand whan adding printers accross the network.
Regards
Brian

[Walter Padgett]

Good Morning,

Well, I think I'm going to switch back to Microsoft Windows 2003 Server. The only reason for this is because at www.msdnaa.com a school or department at a school can purchase a whole slew of products for a yearly subscription of around $800 or so. It covers Windows XP/2000/2003 server and client along with a lot of their Visual stuff. Exchange is even included in the mix as well.

I have had a blast learning more about the SME server in this type of application and look forward to doing more in the future.

Later

Wally

[Michiel]

Well all the luck to you.

But you might consider the following: The only reason why Billy sells his stuff at these prices is because of Linux. If Linux wasn't so popular at schools and universities, you'd be paying the same prices as the rest of us. By brainwashing students with MS stuff he hopes that Linux will gradually die out, at which point he can charge you anything he likes. So your short term gain might become everybiody's long term loss.

And by the way, did you consider the additional cost of upgrading your hardware, the time you'll have to spend on migration and training?

Just a few thoughts

[Walter Padgett]

Good Afternoon,

Well that was a knee-jerk posting I made. Impulse, got to control it. The MSDNAA is a crock.

Now back to SME. I am deploying a number of SME servers still in the school district where I work. If I put two at each school that I support it will be a total of over 100 servers. I'm looking for a way to provide centralized management to all the servers in a way like Novell and WinSrv does with their directory services. I've poked around a bit in the phorum and have found some things that might point me to some places but I'm not sure of them. Is there any discussion thread that deals with this specific application? Example: PDC with a bunch of BDC's complete with user and group replication if that makes sense.

A penny for your thoughts,

Wally

[Greg Zartman]

You are going to need to decide what is most important to you (i.e., cost or functions).    I don't have time right now to list all of the pros and cons I see in deploying SME on a large scale, and there are many of them.  Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't seem very familar with *nix OSs.  Before you undertake something of this magnitude (100 servers), you better do your research otherwise you aren't doing your employer justice.  There's just too much money at stake, in your situation, to jump on bandwagon A or bandwagon B without doing some homework.

My bottom line: I think you'll get a better product with SME, but that's just my opinion.  I really like Linux and especially SME for small-medium sized networks.  However, it just can't compete with Windows Server for large, complex,  windows/domain type networks.  

Greg Zartman

[Walter Padgett]

Good Morning,

So am I to assume that there has never been any real collaboration (for lack of a better term) between servers in a *nix environment?

I'm still doing research and no, I don't jump before calculating the risks. I follow that great biblical principal, "in the multitude of counsel there is safety." Now an attorney friend of mine will argue and say all he's seen in a multitude of counsel is confusion. Straying from the point here, should I look at rsync for a solution in this? Could I setup one Win2k Server as a domain controller and have the SME boxes as BDC's in a sort of way using LDAP to communicate with the Win2k Server?

A penny for your thoughts,

Wally

Happy Halloween - http://www.pianoladynancy.com/bluemoon.htm

[Greg Zartman]

> So am I to assume that there has never been any real
> collaboration (for lack of a better term) between servers in
> a *nix environment?

Of course not, but you aren't setting up a pure *nix environment are you?  Creating a seemless integration of *nix and windows is not 100% yet, and that is the hang up.

> in a multitude of counsel is confusion. Straying from the
> point here, should I look at rsync for a solution in this?

Solution for what?  Yesterday you were talking about a means to centralize managment of your network.  Rsync simply syncronizes data.

> Could I setup one Win2k Server as a domain controller and
> have the SME boxes as BDC's in a sort of way using LDAP to
> communicate with the Win2k Server?

SME won't do BDC very well at this point.  It can pretent it is a BDC, but it isnt' truely a BDC as it lacks the ability to establish a trust relationship with the PDC.  Unfortunately Samba 3.0 still lacks in this area as well, but is gaining quickly.

If the most important thing to you is all of the fancy windows domain functionality, forget about SME as it simply can't do it.  

Regards,

Greg Zartman
>
> A penny for your thoughts,
>
> Wally
>
> Happy Halloween - http://www.pianoladynancy.com/bluemoon.htm

[Jim Danvers]

Walter...

Greg is giving you straight skinny.  Unless you are an absolute, uber-geek, ~very~ knowledgable unix guy - AND end clients are willing to deal with weirdness with respect to interoperabilities between the two worlds (*nix and windows), then you're asking for trouble.  I (as would a majority of participants in these forums, I suspect) would love to see linux (SME in our particular case) become a defacto standard that we could roll out to schools, business, etc...  the folks in Redmond DON'T wan't to see that happen - not good for the bottomline.  Therefore - as stated previously, they seem to go out of thier way to keep the samba guys (whose work is absolutely fantastic!) hopping...  uncle bill & co. DON'T want to play in the sand box.  They want to, and intend to, OWN it.

Personally - I still suck with linux (*nix'es in general).  I kinda half know my way around a file system, where most of the .conf files live for 'stuff', but would I run a money making business under it.....??  I honestly (and unfortunately) can't say that I would (unless it was ~my own~ gig).  I'm just not confident in my own abilities with the OS in general.  Windows...  sure.  Expensive for the client to obtain and get started with, yeah - but I ~know~ it and can support it.

Good luck whatever route you decide to take...

-=- jd -=-

[Walter Padgett]

Good Morning,

So what does everyone think about Novell buying out SUSE? Is that going to bring the collaboration that I'm talking about and do you think that it's going to be economically feasible?

I believe that it will put a more robust bottom line to the Novell OS if they totally incorporate or switch over to Linux.

If this happens, does anyone think that the Samba group will try to interact with it which will ultimately allow SME to interact with a Novell server right?

Later

Wally

[dwater]

Wally did you ever sort out the
LocalizedResourceName=@%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll,-21787
message? I am getting it on joining the domain.
Regards
Brian

I was getting this message on our XP machines, and I found this reference :

http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=330132

which is kind of confirmed by this :

http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=9416.0

Thought I'd just add this to clear up the loose end in this thread.

Max.

[wallyrp]

Good Afternoon,

Thanks for the information. I don't know though if I like the idea of hiding hidden files. I personally view all the files but I guess it might be wise to not do that on workstations. I'll try it and let you know.

[dwater]

Wally did you ever sort out the
LocalizedResourceName=@%SystemRoot%\system32\shell32.dll,-21787
message? I am getting it on joining the domain.
Regards
Brian

I was getting this message on our XP machines, and I found this reference :

http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=330132

which is kind of confirmed by this :

http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=9416.0

Thought I'd just add this to clear up the loose end in this thread.

Max.

Furthermore, I find that deleting :

Code: [Select]


'/home/e-smith/files/samba/profiles/....../Start Menu/Programs/Startup/desktop.ini'


fixes the problem.

Be careful of the space in 'Start Menu' when you use this path on the command line[1].
Obviously, replace ...... with the username of the account affected.

Max.
[1] I recommend putting quotes around the whole path as shown, but you can just escape the space with a back-slash '\', or various other methods.