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Lycoris to take over contribs.org

monkey

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2004, 09:50:22 PM »
Hi..

I will introduce myself here. I am Michael Honeyfield. I will be heading up development from Lycoris' end.

I will answer some of the questions asked:

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1. This deal was simply announced without any discussion with the Contribs.org members. Will Contribs/Lycoris continue with this BAD BAD BAD procedure in the future?


I would not call this a bad procedure and how do you know that certain members were not in the discussion ;-) Please do not worry about ssuch things. There is no need too :-)

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2. Will it be a Community version (with no fees and no trials involved) of the Lycoris SME Server?


We will be maintianing a Community Edition.

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3. Will the Lycoris SME Server continue to use the Perl template system?


The templating system is one of the things that make SME what it is. If we removed that, then it would just be a RH7.3 server. So no, we will not be removing it.

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4. Will the Lycoris SME Server continue to accept the several Contribs Applications that already exist?


Sure, like I said above, there will be a Community edition. People are free to create addons to that. Could that be included in other products? I could not say at this stage, but it will be considered.

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5. Will the next version of the Lycoris SME Server be based on the recent dev work on CentOS (http://lordsfam.net/SME70)?


Yes, we will continue the RHEL based direction.

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6. How many developers will Lycoris allocate to the SME development?


Enough ;-)

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7. Is there any roadmap for the next version of the Lycoris SME Server?


I am not sure if I can give it out. I will chat with the powers that be and see if we can get something for you guys too look at.


Cheers!

Mike

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2004, 02:53:33 AM »
Thanks Michael and RequestedDeletion,

Especially you Michael, you were enough precise for 3 days of “business”. Thanks very much for your fast answers to both of you. Honestly I think you are on the right track.

Just 3 remarks:

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I would not call this a bad procedure and how do you know that certain members were not in the discussion. Please do not worry about ssuch things. There is no need too.


1. As you know better than me there is something in here we call it Poll. The Contribs.org staff used this feature on the early days of Contribs. And again, someone from the stuff also pointed sometime ago (I can’t remember the post to point it out) that if a Poll didn’t have enough participation from the Contribs members it should never be considered. And a few months later the same staff stopped to use the Poll feature.

2. The Contribs.org is not a company as far as I know and, although the domain Contribs.org is owned by Jeff Coleman/Resource Strategies, the content of this website and the product(s) this community develop are not. That’s why I think you MUST share and discuss with all of us SOME of your important visions that affect all members. It will be a very wrong decision in the long run if you do not follow this “rule”.

3. Just one final thought: Lycoris owns the Desktop/LX products and Lycoris.com/Lycoris.org content but doesn’t own (and never will) the SME Server product and the Contribs.org content. That’s why you MUST share and discuss with all of us SOME important issues.

Just my 2 cents.

Nuno Gomes
Nuno Rafael Gomes
Learning everyday from everyday problems...

Pelly

Greetings!
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2004, 02:59:42 AM »
Hello to All!

My name is Larry Pellegrini, and I'm the Lycoris Community Ambassador.  I'll let you all in on a little fact; like Rus, I can also be "wordy" some of the time.

As we all look forward to this great endeavor, please feel free to visit the The Greenhouse.

If anyone would like to contact me personally, feel free to PM me at either location.  My email is pelly@worldnet.att.net.

 :-D

Rus

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2004, 04:06:34 AM »
Some clarifications - we do in fact own the contribs.org site.  You'll see the change in ownership reflected shortly.

We're also committed to the community spirit.  You'll notice we're asking questions, getting to know people, and Jeff and RequestedDeletion are continuing to show us the ropes.   :-)

We'll be discussing the roadmap in more detail after a bit here.  Remember that there are many of you for us to get to know, but there are few of us for you to get to know.  This process takes a bit of time.  As Monkey pointed out, the templating system will be in full force.  We'll also be discussing the CentOS movement and where it takes us.  There's been significant work done on that platform, and it's a good basis to move forward.

We'll be continuing to ask questions.  Feel free to introduce yourself.  Send me a private message or drop me an e-mail (Rus AT Lycoris DOT com).  We're pretty accessible.  We're going to be doing the same thing we've done at our company, and that's have a positive influence.

Lycoris always respects the GPL and any license for that matter.  As we're a commmercial company, we deal with both Open Source and commercial licensing on a daily basis.  We do some code as GPL, other code is proprietary.  This will continue.  GPL can go into both free products as well as commercial, but so can proprietary code.

One person asked why we have a 45 day Evaluation Edition of Desktop/LX.  That's simple.  Just as Red Hat and others do, we have copyrighted and trademarked graphics, etc.  Those we can put restrictions on.  That's part of why we do that.  The Community Edition of SME Server will be unsupported, and the commercial edition will be supported.  Not a big issue there.  We build upon Open Source, but we don't exclude commercial possibilities.

A good example is btX2 in Desktop/LX. It's a commercially licensed application from Bitstream.  It gives Desktop/LX better font handling than anything else on the market.  It's in the retail version, it won't be in our Evaluation Edition of Desktop/LX.  The two can coexist quite nicely.  The Evaluation Edition is there to see if it installs on your system, if you like the layout, like the available packages, etc.  It's a pretty simple philosophy.  You get more by paying for the commercial product.

The bottom line is that Lycoris is interested in the community, excited at all the possibilities, and we're committed to turning out quality products.  We're here to help, to listen, and to help shape the direction of the product.

Abe brought up a point in one of the comments earlier.  We're going to be following in the same vein as before - making the final decisions as to how things progressed, what contribs are good enough for the final release, what new features will be added, what apps need upgrading, and so on.  Monkey has been doing some discussion of Anaconda and its patches, for instance.  We'll always be looking to the community for such things.

We also will be looking to GPL developers to assist with development as well as participation by community members for beta testing, bug fixes, minor mods, etc.  Jeff is involved daily on this.  We're listening to understand both past and present direction.

Don't look for radical changes - we're just looking to continue development and implement positive changes.

Rus

loveless

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2004, 04:37:21 AM »
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Some clarifications


Rus, Very nicely written, that does make me feel better.  Like many others here, I've been working on my own things for the last few months waiting to see how everything with contribs.org shakes out.

I look forward to some forward progress with our favorite server and hope to rejoin the community (both dev and forum) as time allows.  

It sounds to me like our shared communities are embarking on a great adventure.  I look forward to it.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2004, 04:40:15 AM »
Hi all,
I must say the news did come as a shock, i was a little worried there for a moment when i refreshed the contribs site and the logo changed  ;-)

I'm glad that contribs will live on, specially after the hardware problems that happened a little while back, and things were looking grim.

I have used Lycoris before i liked it very much,and like SME samba just worked on it, I even recomended it to people, and was involved in a non profit project that donaited PCs to 3rd world contrys with Lycoris on them, , and i remember telling people that in a few more years Lycoris will be a real competetor for M$, and now with the addition of SME server I'd say it's even closer

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It seems that Lycoris only has a non evaluation (good for 45 days) and a commercial version


Well early last year i used the unsupported release that didn't have a time limitation, and there still is one when i checked, i've downloaded it and will install it, just to confirm that it hasen't changed since last time.

I must say it is good news, So welcome to all the Lycoris people, and many thanx to the contribs team for working so hard.

Cheers
R.A.
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Offline ngomes

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2004, 05:53:21 AM »
Rus,

Please be aware that I pretty like the idea of the Lycoris take over Contribs and especially all ideas and attitudes that you and other Lycoris guys have shown here in the last 3/4 days.

Back to your “clarification”:

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Some clarifications - we do in fact own the contribs.org site. You'll see the change in ownership reflected shortly.


Please do clarify:

1. Does Lycoris own the Contribs.org website? If so, please define website accordingly to your (Lycoris) agreement with Jeff Coleman/Resource Strategies.

2. Does Lycoris own the Contribs.org, Contribs.net and Contribs.com domains?

3. Does Lycoris own the Contribs.org website content (forum posts, mailing lists, wiki docs, manuals), including all the content that came from Mitel and E-Smith?. Do you will own any new website content?

4. Does Lycoris own any sort of copyright over the SME Server GPL code (any version)? Do you will own any sort of copyright over new code?

Best regards,

Nuno Gomes
Nuno Rafael Gomes
Learning everyday from everyday problems...

monkey

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2004, 06:09:31 AM »
ngomes:

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1. Does Lycoris own the Contribs.org website? If so, please define website accordingly to your (Lycoris) agreement with Jeff Coleman/Resource Strategies.


That arrangement is between Lycoris and Jeff.

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2. Does Lycoris own the Contribs.org, Contribs.net and Contribs.com domains?


See above.

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3. Does Lycoris own the Contribs.org website content (forum posts, mailing lists, wiki docs, manuals), including all the content that came from Mitel and E-Smith?. Do you will own any new website content?


Ownership will always remain that of the author.

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4. Does Lycoris own any sort of copyright over the SME Server GPL code (any version)? Do you will own any sort of copyright over new code?


OK.. We can not "own" GPL code. its that simple. Lycoris aquired contribs.org to help give it a new home, to grow both the product and the community.

Mike

mbachmann

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2004, 08:57:08 AM »
Welcome Lycoris people. Sounds like you'll give the SME community and server a nice warm home.

I only run two SME boxes as admin in a german company, which is manufacturing metal parts. I try to contribute to the forums and some doc pages on a regulary basis.

Furthermore i try to make as less words as possible.  :-P

shanen

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2004, 12:29:32 PM »
Can't wait to sell and support this...

:-)

Muzo

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2004, 02:24:35 PM »
Hi,

I'm glad SME will survive!

But i have a question, did lycoris deal with contrib.org (or jeff) without SME-server ?  :-x

monkey

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2004, 02:43:48 PM »
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But i have a question, did lycoris deal with contrib.org (or jeff) without SME-server ?


I am not sure I understand your question or your point.

I suggest you re-read the press release on the front page, then re-read the replies in this forum from the Lycoris staff.

If you still feel that your question is unanswered, let us know.

monkey at lycoris.com

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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2004, 03:57:16 PM »
Mike,

First of all thanks again. You are very accurate and promptly.

Secondly our discussion around these topics is very helpful to all the SME Community as you can imagine.

Finally just 2 considerations:

1. In fact the recent agreement is between Lycoris and Jeff. I agree. You are right. But you can always reveal some parts of your arrangement, mainly the parts that have to do directly with our Community. I don’t want to know nothing more besides this and I think most of the Contribs.org members agree with me. And just to remember all of you: Jeff never owned anything on Contribs.org except the domains and the plattaform Contribs.org is running.

2. Let me point you this link:
http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/devinfo/msg06264.html
At some part Mitel says that
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The code in the SME Server remains copyright Mitel Networks and is released under the GNU General Public License
So you can in fact own the copyright of GPL code. But you can’t own the GPL code.

Nevertheless I sincerely think that with your leadership, core development and core support the SME Server will finally have a bright future.

Sincerely,

Nuno Gomes
Nuno Rafael Gomes
Learning everyday from everyday problems...

jonnybb1

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2004, 04:06:35 PM »
Thanx for bringing SME back from the edge of extinction!

monkey

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2004, 04:53:27 PM »
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So you can in fact own the copyright of GPL code. But you can’t own the GPL code.


Yes, in review of my original comment, I had in fact worded it incorrectly. Ownership of the copyright will remain that of the original authors.

Regarding the deal between Jeff and Lycoris, should they wish to disclose any infomation about that, then I will leave that to them.

My focus is to continue SME development :)

Mike