Topic: SME Server ( Clone ? )

[kiruxadmin]

Greg:

Could you be so kind to email me your email address. Possible solution.

Moses

[djhomeless]

Helpful tip to Moses:

In my professional life I am the type of person your company would speak to about buying your software. Companies nowadays don't care who builds what, or who develops what. All they want to know is:

Is the product supportable?
Is there an upgrade path? In other words, if the product is from a company, then is the company solvent? And if the product is based off of O.S. code, then is there any risk to being sued (e.g. SCO).

The reason I bring this up to you is because if you compare YOUR company against the above criteria, you are actually WORSE off than if you freely admitted and supported SME in your site and marketing.

Why? Because what happens if you go bust? Get sued? Get bought out? Drop the product alltogether? Your a small company, I've never heard of you, and even if I have possesion of your source code, what am I going to do with it? Support a fork on my own? I'm in the business of [INSERT INDUSTRY HERE], I'm not a developer!

Also, how do I even know that your platform is 'best of breed'? How do I know I'm not getting yesterdays technology today? What happens when I need to upgrade?

See, you could have shamelessly wrapped yourself around the SME community and have been so much better off. You could have pitched how you can provide 'top notch support' and 'custom development based on your unique business needs', and 'rapid and flexible deployment'. 'All built around one of the communities most trusted SME platform' (it easily beats out CC).

I dunno, I just don't get it. You can delete your posts if you want, but anyone who searches on your company and/or your product(s) will invariably find this thread. The damage is done. All because you arrogantly believed that your product was somehow bigger than the sum of its parts.

My advice, drop the charade and embrace the community. Open up your source. And plaster SME in every conceivable place on your site. Your customers, TRUST ME, will still come. And, if I may, the community will most definitly embrace you back.

me 2 cents,

Geoffrey

[u27g8mdm]

Greg:

Could you be so kind to email me your email address. Possible solution.

Moses

If you have any "possible solution", then post it here.

[Keltic]

Kirux.net is a Mambo CMS, using an unmodified template, JavaBean, supplied with the product, the only change I can see is the pasting of your logo over the top of the main graphic, why not 'rebadge' mambo as your own too? and steal credit from them. (footer should read 'Powered by Kuadra and Kirux CMS....'

The Kontender NT product includes 'an Intranet Portal', not sure if it is Mambo or Metadot (as linked at the bottom of page), but has that been stripped of all credits too?

I push SME and Mambo to my customers, but I always tell them the whole story - i.e, why pay for good (gag, cough - M$) software, when you can use GREAT software, for free, have a stable and reliable deployment and be supported by a global community, rather than a greedy monopoly.

my Sunday morning 2 cents

[u27g8mdm]

Dear Moses,

From your website: http://www.kirux.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=102
"TThe Kuadra ES was based on the GPL version of the SME Server, formerly known as e-smith/Mitel (now contribs.org) and includes copyright material from Mitel, contribs.org, the contribs.org community members and others. "

What do you mean by "was based on" ? You are saying that now the KES is not based on the GPL version of the SME Server ? So it was writen from scratch ?

Also:
"The  majority of the software packages included with Kuadra ES Community Edition are subject to the terms of the GPL. However, there are some elements of the Kuadra ES Community Edition Software which are proprietary and are the copyrighted and intellectual property of Kirux Technology Solutions Inc. "

Which elements of the KES Community Edition Software are properietary and writen completely by your developers?

Also this is copied from the contribs mainpage: http://no.longer.valid/news/
"We would like to remind you that the SME Server software is licensed under the General Public License (GPL). This means that if you alter the software and distribute the altered version, you must make the source code for your altered version freely available."

Did you understand the license before using the SME Server as your base for KES?

[MSmith]

Now Googling for Kuadra ES and kirux will still bring up this thread as the #3 result ... with kiruxadmin posts obviously deleted! (Though what of the Google cache, hmmm .... yup, some posts still there.  Archiving now.)  And to someone contemplating purchase of the software,  that's a BIG RED FLAG.  So Moses, congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot.  This is what comes of building a house on sand, not rock!

[u27g8mdm]

Any idea when will the community edition be released ?

[fargo]

Pop. Waiting for community edition

[u27g8mdm]

A very long wait and still no sign of it.

[gregswallow]

If you guys read my post on this thread from August 4th, you'll have an idea of what's going on.  Moses has made an effort to give credit to SME Server on his website, and I believe all the copyright holders of the SMEServer software have a copy of his evaluation CD now.  I don't think he will make the evaluation copy available to download until they are satisfied with the licencing/copyright issues, but that is up to him.  Email him and ask for one if you want.

I persoanlly am hoping that he will collaborate on SMEServer, rather than his own distribution.  Lets keep discussion on this website on the topic of SMEServer, enough has been said about Kirux here.

[u27g8mdm]

How about the community edition then ?

[jjcuk]

Kirux server on Distrowatch waiting list

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current


New on the waiting list

    * Kirux Kuadra Enterprise Server. Kirux Kuadra Enterprise Server is a powerful and dynamic, all-in-one server platform for small to medium size businesses. The system features an easy-to-use web based Server Administration Panel and requires little or no IT expertise to administer the server.

[deunan]

Kirux server on Distrowatch waiting list

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current


New on the waiting list

    * Kirux Kuadra Enterprise Server. Kirux Kuadra Enterprise Server is a powerful and dynamic, all-in-one server platform for small to medium size businesses. The system features an easy-to-use web based Server Administration Panel and requires little or no IT expertise to administer the server.

I suggest everyone's who is even remotely interested post a comment on that weekly news...

[u27g8mdm]

Looks like Moses have removed all references to the SME Server again from Kirux website.

[gregswallow]

I emailed Moses today.  The community edition page is back. - http://kirux.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=105

He's in the process of getitng a mirror site for the ISO.