Topic: SME not being updated

[colemanpa]

I have use e-smith/SME for years, and it has been good, but SME is not being updated, and some of the core packages can not be updated by a regular user, so I went out and looked for a new product, and I found one that is being supported, try clarkconnect.com, just like SME but build around a stateful firewall.

[CharlieBrady]

I have use e-smith/SME for years, and it has been good, but SME is not being updated, ...

Both 6.5 and 7.0 (based on RHEL3/CentOS) are under development. You can test them and report bugs if you'd like to help.

... so I went out and looked for a new product, and I found one that is being supported, try clarkconnect.com,

ClarkConnect is cool. Enjoy it if it suits you. Early versions included a bunch of e-smith code - I don't know whether it still does.

... just like SME but build around a stateful firewall.

SME is build around a stateful firewall (and has been for years).

[Virtus]

Where is the word joke this time ?

Suppose to let people know what´s going on when making April fool jokes.. hmm

[rkuenzli]

I don't understand why there are both 6.5 and 7.0 versions under development? Why not put all effort only 7.0?

[girkers]

Different people has different skills, abilities and needs.  If you have been looking around the site you will see that both versions are being done, by different people and have different target markets.

Think of it in the way of M$ Windows.  Just because M$ are working on Longhorn (the next version of Windows), doesn't mean that they stopped work on XP.

Think of 6.5 as XP SP2 and 7.0 as Longhorn.

I am sorry to bring Windows analogies to a Linux forum, but just trying to make it easy for everyone to understand.  Also if my viewpoint isn't right, or skewed, please don't hesitate to correct me.

[rkuenzli]

Thank for your replay - now I understand it better. I've been using SME happily for years and for productions I use 6.0.1. But after years of only taking I am looking how I could give some little contribution back. So I think for me it's the best to try to contribute to 7.0.

The deeper I look into the community and into SME, the more I love it.

[compdoc]

clarkconnect doesnt appear to be free though....

[calisun]

Clarkconnect does have professional, office and home editions. Professional and office are not free, but home version is free, you can get it at:  http://www.clarkconnect.org/webapp/downloads.jsp

Clarkconnect does have some nice features that SME does not.
But at the same time SME Server has features that Clarkconnect does not have. One good example is to look at their web site in the roadmap section, (future features) you will see:
* Information bays similar to SME Server
http://www.clarkconnect.org/projects/roadmap.php

I think we would have one awsome product if we could combine the two projects.

[kiruxadmin]

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[sbcc]

I do not understand the current update path...

6.5 is Fedora based... and we are still at RC1...

7.0 is CentOS based... but they want people to use 3.1...  (This really confuses me...)

In all honesty, please explain why 7.0 is not using CentOS 4.0 as its base... I understand the step up may require loosing prior work, but is that not worth the price to bring 7.0 up to the latest release as its base?  I do not understand spending all the time working 7.0 onto an already old codebase...

Please, this is not a troll or a fight... I'm trying to understand the direction SME is heading.

[CharlieBrady]

6.5 is Fedora based...

Incorrect. It is RH 7.3/FedoraLegacy 7.3 based.

7.0 is CentOS based... but they want people to use 3.1...  (This really confuses me...)

And it confuses me too. "3.1"? What does that refer to? Windows 3.1? Latest 7.0alpha is based on CentOS 3.5.

In all honesty, please explain why 7.0 is not using CentOS 4.0 as its base...

Because I started the work on 7.0 before CentOS 4.0 was available, and I don't have any reason to change. CentOS 3.x will be supported by RedHat for the next five years. That's plenty of time for someone else to build an SME 8.0 based on CentoS 4.0 or later.

I do not understand spending all the time working 7.0 onto an already old codebase...

If you (or anyone else) wants (or needs) to work on the new code base, then away you go. Do it.

Please, this is not a troll or a fight... I'm trying to understand the direction SME is heading.

No, you want it to go in a different direction than it is currently going. Without you lifting a finger.

A CentOS 4.0 version will come along one day. When someone needs it enough to do it. Until then, be thankful for what you've got.

[sbcc]

Thank you for the explaination and sorry for ruffling you feathers.

3.1 refered to CentOS 3.1... I found it mentioned on one of the roadmap pages... one that I now see is listed as out of date.  http://no.longer.valid/phpwiki/index.php/SME%20Server%20on%20Centos%20Base

Yes, I am new here.  I stated that I was asking merely for clarification, not a fight.  Thank you for the work that you do.  There are many of us who would like to help make this into THE solution for SME's.  No, not all of us are coders, some of us can donate time troubleshooting, others just write checks.