Topic: Why I am not involved in the improvements of this software

[janet]

arne

I mentioned your firewall work & the LDAP auth work merely as examples of approaches that people have taken to the development process, hoping to show the original poster why things need to be done certain ways, and why following currently existing development processes is important.

The intention was not to start discussion on firewalls or LDAP here in this thread.

I would also ask you to start a new thread if you really want to open serious discussion on firewalls, but honestly if you are just going to rehash why sme should do it your way again, then please don't bother.
The developers are still waiting for you to submit (conforming) code on the bugtracker, so that should be your next move, as you have been told before.

[arne]

Well some argumentation before the tread were closed:

What you posted is not SME specific and far from "Basic"

SME "Basic" Networking is more like: WWW <---> Modem/Router <---> SME (Server/Gateway Mode) <----> LAN

Change your subject to:

"Complex Networking"

Also, if you are trying to "Pimp" that POS Smoothwall firewall, go to the Smoothwall forums and do it please.

What I ask for is there any exampe of a general discussion about internet firewalling related to the 55 % server-only installations that has not been flamed or closed ?

Wouldn't for instance the use of Smoothwall in front and together with the SME server be a quite natural choice that should be possible to discuss ?

Where is the example of the the more general firewall solutions that has not been flamed or closed ?

Is it to be understood that 55 % of the SME server installations rely on some kind of "complex networking" that can not be discussed at all ?

If a sensorship of an open souce forum exist in such a degree that you can not discuss typical security problems related to the majority of the installations, that is in practical use, it will be natural that this will lead to some kind of frustrations. A more open forum in this way, might help.

[janet]

arne

Your questions are completely off topic for this thread.
Please start a new thread as previously asked more than once now.

[arne]

Yes, it could be off topic, unless there should be a common reason behind all the problems mentioned in this tread.

This common reason, it it exist, could be some kind of commersialism, where bugs should be hidden in a "bugzilla" and where discussions information or deveopment projects that is not according to the "business model" will not be tolerated. I think that business in the long run would benefit from a free and open discussion.

Discussion ended from my side. (Unless omething more on this subject.)

[electroman00]

electroman00
When you quote a person, the comments immediately following appear to be responding to what that person said, please separate your quotes and unrelated comments more.

Mary I edited the post you refer to, I simply could not allow that to be, for it was not in line with my sincere sediments.
The reasons for it initially, I believe are understood.
Reasons or Results
Reasons don't count.

I am happy with the result as they are now, so I hope you will be also.

**************    I sincerely apologize to you Mary. ****************

[electroman00]

This is very interesting Mary.

Your comments to cactus were demanding, and critical of his answer.

Why is that interesting to me.

That statement relates directly to these entities.

#1 The main topic theme of this thread
#2 The observations of the original poster
#3 Something I (electroman00) initiated

Another way of saying "critical of his answer" is to say "criticized his answer".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/criticize

I agree that Mary's statement is in fact True.

So I would hope we are in agreement up to this point?

The question now becomes this.

Is there a need to criticize someone or something.

Well we all...

Criticize ourselves
Criticize our friends
Criticize our family members
Criticize our government and it's leaders
Criticize our employer
Criticize our hair
Criticize our makeup
Criticize our very own appearance when we look in the mirror

So it becomes obvious that there is a need for us all to be critical of everything we do everyday
of our lives, for if we are not critical, we would simply vanish from the earth.

What makes us all Critical and Criticize, simply.... we care.

Now we're faced with another question....

Is there an acceptable or unacceptable method to be critical or criticize someone or something.

I pose these two statements....

It is acceptable to criticize the performance.

It is unacceptable to criticize the performer.

Those two statements lead to the problem within this thread, understand the problem and thus the solution will be realized.

Realize, this is not my invention, however it is my understanding.

It can be your understanding, I make no demands, I simply appeal to your desire.

For those that have the need to flame me, thank you, I am honored.
Sincerely, I'm honored.....I'm not being sarcastic.

Have a wonderful day....

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Thread has now completely gone off topic, therefore now locking thread.