Koozali.org: home of the SME Server

Something must have been wrong with this forum.

Offline christian

  • *
  • 369
  • +0/-0
    • http://www.szpilfogel.com
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 04:13:05 PM »
I think the frustration is often because people post questions without doing any work at all and then expect others to offer them free support. I can't possibly imagine why they would feel my time is less important than theirs. However, I try not to let it get to me. If I see someone do this, I will often just move on and ignore it unless they pose a danger to themselves or others.

Perhaps to alleviate this, we could have a sticky topic at the top level with a "BEFORE YOU POST, please read this". I've seen this in other groups. Personally when I see this in other forums, I read it as it usually defines the etiquette expected.

We're a global community with different cultural norms. I've been lucky enough to have spent a lot of time in many countries around the world and recognize that what is considered normal in one culture may be rude in another. email being generally devoid of emotion can also be misinterpreted. Some cultures speak their mind openly and others feel they need to be sensitive to others and are easily hurt themselves. It is neither right nor wrong it simply is.

So while you may expect others to be more like what you view as normal, it's important to be tolerant and recognize where they are coming from.

To me this again suggests a need for an etiquette topic so that we can at least define what we view as normal in these forums.

SME since 2003

Offline cactus

  • *
  • 4,880
  • +3/-0
    • http://www.snetram.nl
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2008, 06:57:00 PM »
I think the frustration is often because people post questions without doing any work at all and then expect others to offer them free support. I can't possibly imagine why they would feel my time is less important than theirs.
I second that.

However, I try not to let it get to me.
I try to... but sometime sfail (miserably) :-)

Perhaps to alleviate this, we could have a sticky topic at the top level with a "BEFORE YOU POST, please read this". I've seen this in other groups. Personally when I see this in other forums, I read it as it usually defines the etiquette expected.
Seems like a good option to me. I think at least the following should be in there:
  • Search in the wiki, bugtracker and forums before posting
  • Problems with upgrades and installation (at least for not customized machines) should be reported to the bugtracker
  • When posting try to choose a sane subject that is short and describes you desire, wish or problem. If you have a problem please report the exact error message and do not paraphrase.
  • Give as much information as you can, but try to limit it to only relevant information
  • When questions are asked to diagnose your problem, please provide the requested information as this might be needed to give you the instructions to answer your (initial) question.
  • And last but certainly not least, have patience and keep in mind that not everyone has the same level of experience. Consider posts as friendly advice even though you might as well be able to interpret it in another less friendly tone.

Other suggestions are welcome.
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than its worth ~ Baz Luhrmann - Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)

Offline sal1504

  • ****
  • 149
  • +0/-0
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2008, 04:56:11 AM »
As a relatively new user of SME I have posted several questions on this forum. I have been told to post my question in the bugtracker, do a search or read the instructions. As a person looking for an answer I have NOT been insulted by the responses, in fact I have found it very helpful in learning the proper protocol of the forum. To all the people who have to wade through the questions posted and try to answer them I applaud your efforts. For the newbies just starting to use this post, do not take the answers as snippy, do the research and follow the advise offered and you will find that the more you use the forum the way it is intended the quicker and better the response is.

Thank you to all the people participating in making the forum the best possible.

SAL

Offline christian

  • *
  • 369
  • +0/-0
    • http://www.szpilfogel.com
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2008, 05:46:05 AM »
Other suggestions are welcome.

I think an interesting (and oddly related) place we can re-use is that of the CentOS forums where it has the FAQ & READ ME First item:
http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/index.php?cat=3

Specifically useful for us may be:
Read Me First: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14336&forum=48

And possibly:
Where to Find Answers: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14337&forum=48

The "Read Me First" would require relatively little mods and the "where to find answers" could be updated to meet our needs.

Shall we start a couple of wiki pages to edit these together and with others to get it right? Perhaps then make some sort of obvious link in the forum once we're happy with it?

SME since 2003

Offline cactus

  • *
  • 4,880
  • +3/-0
    • http://www.snetram.nl
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2008, 01:36:51 PM »
Shall we start a couple of wiki pages to edit these together and with others to get it right? Perhaps then make some sort of obvious link in the forum once we're happy with it?
Go for it. I suggest you put it somewhere in a namespace like http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Community
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than its worth ~ Baz Luhrmann - Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)

Offline cactus

  • *
  • 4,880
  • +3/-0
    • http://www.snetram.nl
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2008, 07:53:58 PM »
Thanks for starting of christian, I have done a fair bit of rewriting and I think more can/should be added but this is a start.
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than its worth ~ Baz Luhrmann - Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)

Offline David Harper

  • *
  • 653
  • +0/-0
  • Watch this space
    • Workgroup Technology Solutions
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2008, 10:33:42 AM »
This is good work guys :)

Offline jjcuk

  • *
  • 90
  • +0/-0
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2008, 01:48:13 PM »
well it was me that started it off yesterday when I had a few mins spare but well done cactus you have certainly made it considerably better

regards
Jim
Regards
Jim C

Offline christian

  • *
  • 369
  • +0/-0
    • http://www.szpilfogel.com
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2008, 05:32:46 PM »
Thanks for starting of christian, I have done a fair bit of rewriting and I think more can/should be added but this is a start.
Cactus/Jim, this is a great start. I'll be chipping in but just wanted to warn you I am traveling  over the Christmas break so my work will be sporadic at best. This is why I seem to pop in and leave.

I'll post comments in the discussion panel from here on in.

SME since 2003

Offline cactus

  • *
  • 4,880
  • +3/-0
    • http://www.snetram.nl
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 05:41:30 PM »
Cactus/Jim, this is a great start. I'll be chipping in but just wanted to warn you I am traveling  over the Christmas break so my work will be sporadic at best. This is why I seem to pop in and leave.

I'll post comments in the discussion panel from here on in.
Please post them to the concerning talk pages to keep things easier to find and more closely related. Thanks again!
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than its worth ~ Baz Luhrmann - Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)

Offline christian

  • *
  • 369
  • +0/-0
    • http://www.szpilfogel.com
Re: Something must have been wrong with this forum.
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 06:23:32 PM »
Please post them to the concerning talk pages to keep things easier to find and more closely related. Thanks again!
Yes that is what I meant. just didn't have the wiki open in front of me.

edit: ha ha. When you are in it, it is called the "Talk" page but on the tab it is called "discussion".


« Last Edit: December 27, 2008, 06:25:42 PM by christian »
SME since 2003