Topic: SME8b7 - LDAP Authentication

[janet]

jader

I have to agree with Charlie on this one, his comment was "matter of fact" and it seems you "took offence or dislike" to the way he used the English language.

The following comments are not just made to you, but to all users of these forums.
I have observed many of your posts lately and you do seem critical of people and do seem to "read emotion" into various peoples posts.
Everyone is entitled to answer in the way they best see fit and not be subject to criticism.

Indeed much or most of what someone criticises is I believe due to a misinterpretation by the reader, in many many cases that I have observed in these forums it is due to language & grammatical & cultural values of the reader (being different to that of the poster).

eg
I see you appear to be from Brazil and while you write adequate English sentences, I note you sometimes have grammatical type errors in your words. That leads me to believe it is your English language comprehension skills that are the cause of you being critical about certain peoples posts.

In most cases I see nothing wrong with their posts, but I believe it is your comprehension of what they have written that leads you to believe they are being harsh or unpleasant or unhelpful. This same conclusion I would also apply to other posters, not just yourself, it is the mix of languages and language skills that abound amongst the users of these forums that is the source of users "upsets". Words are often reversed in sentences in different languages and can appear to have different meanings when read by a person who has different language background than the person who wrote the original post.

To me Charlies post in this thread was simple, to the point and accurately represented what he wanted to say, all done with a minimum set of words and therefore a minimum time effort.

I'm aware that Charlie is very busy and dedicated and involved in many areas of technology and web site forum posting elsewhere etc, so he uses his time wisely, which to you comes across as "abrupt".
To me his posts are sharp, short, accurate, and on occasions "witty", he continually impresses me how he gives such accurate answers in such a minimalistic way.

Jader, please stop being critical of anybody on this forum, unless of course they are clearly being rude or offensive, in which case your best course of action is to report them to the Moderator.

Please note that nothing I have said here is meant to be an attack on you or in any way designed to be offensive to you, I'm just being "matter of fact", at least as I see it.
Please just post your answers without also needing to criticise others.

The same request goes to all other users of these forums, although I must say that lately the personal attacks have quietened down significantly compared to some time ago when there seemed to be regular "flurries of activity" from those who had "nothing better to do".

[Jáder]

Mary

I just would like to see people helping each other or being quiet.
Even my English skill are not so great as a native speaker I believe my problem is not this.

I appreciate efforts everyone do for SME... in any/many ways.
I understand Charlie is a VERY busy person, so what's I'm asking is: if he has nothing good to say, just ignore posts. This is valid for everyone else.
Please read the Stefano answer and you'll see I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

And let's go back to beggining:
I open a thread in forum asking for help... so they said "open a bug" I went to bugzilla... where people say: "I'll close as NOTABIG", "go ask in forum".

I think it's time to make a clear separation what is a bug and what must be on forums.
Maybe it's just me again... but please read the bug 6801 and this thread and let me know what is wrong.
I'm dv.linuxfacil _at_ gmail _dot__ com if you like to continue this chat in private.

[slords]

I'm the one that closed the bug.  If you are having issues the first place you should post is the bug tracker.  If it is determined that there isn't a bug we will close it and ask you to go back to the forums for support.  In closing the bug I did say that what you are doing doesn't appear to be a bug with SME but if you determine that it is then reopen the bug (or open a new one).

If you are asking for help configuring things that belongs in the forums.  If you are saying this isn't working like it should be or is broken then it belongs in the bug tracker.  The LDAP auth stuff is very likely unfinished (and/or broken) so what you are trying to do might not even work.  As it is experimental we likely won't provide support in the bugtracker unless you have suggestions for how to improve/fix it (see all the bugs Daniel has opened regarding LDAP).

Until LDAP auth is working for SME there most likely won't be much progress on external apps.

[janet]

jader

Well this could go on and on...

Charlie's answer is fine with me, he acurately asked you to report issues to bugzilla, he implicitly referred to your post in the forums as being inappropriate (my words), and implied that bugzilla is the best place to sort out your apparent bug.
While Stefano's answer was OK, Charlies answer was more informative, and I read no unhelpful information or no bad intent at all.

My knowledge of Stefano is that he is also from a non english background, so perhaps he may interpret something that Charlie did not mean (but that's again your opinion of what Stefano is thinking/feeling).
That is my point, please stop attaching your emotional or attitudinal values to words that people type, it's IMPOSSIBLE to do so in this context, and in virtually every case I have seen this happen in these forums it has been an error on the part of the responder to do so.

I open a thread in forum asking for help... so they said "open a bug" I went to bugzilla... where people say: "I'll close as NOTABIG", "go ask in forum".
I think it's time to make a clear separation what is a bug and what must be on forums.

That is the official/semi-official preferred process (as it says in the message displayed each time you create a forum post), ie lodge a bug, see if it really is a bug, if so developers will triage it, if not you will be referred back to the forums. This has been discussed many many times in these forums, so I suggest you do some searching and back reading.

Maybe it's just me again... but please read the bug 6801 and this thread and let me know what is wrong.
I'm dv.linuxfacil _at_ gmail _dot__ com if you like to continue this chat in private

Sorry I don't use LDAP so have no need to spend my time on it, but I would just add Shad Lords answer from that bug which I believe sums it up very accurately. You can work with other people who are actively involved in developing LDAP functionality. I recall too that it is NOT envisaged to be part of sme8.0 final release, but more likely a part of a later sme 8.1 release.


"LDAP auth on SME is in its infancy.  It is about 90% there for a working SME instance.  Having the ability for external devices to authenticate against LDAP hasn't been addressed yet.  There are some things you can try and Daniel has been kind enough to point you in the right direction.

This isn't a help forum though.  So far you haven't demonstrated anything wrong with SME.  Please take the configuration discussion of LDAP auth to the forums and if you find a bug in SME then raise a bug report detailing what is wrong with SME.  If you can provide details about how to fix it as well then this will help get it fixed quicker."

[HACKERSOFT2011]

I am also interested in this configuration. Hopefully, a solution will be made available soon.

Have a good day to all!