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frifri:
@Stefano
Thanks. Were are the 'doubles' with the native sme-services ?
Isn't it because the zarafa-contrib-devs wanted to enable zarafa on a per-user base, that they choose to take other ports for the zarafa-imap and zarafa-pop3-services ?
Charles2008:
Please excuse my absence. I had thought that this thread had 'gone quiet' and was off concentrating on year-end - I got that wrong, eh?
Well, this is a fascinating discussion, and thank you Frederick (and HFW - hello BTW :) ) for your thoughts on Zarafa.
Although Stefano says this discussion should be for the dev forum (and I have seen others make this sort of observation on other similar threads, so he is not alone) it is extremely enlightening (and encouraging) for newcomers to see just how many knowledgeable and talented users there are involved with SME and also how carefully and seriously they take decisions regarding, what to others might seem like, small issues.
I am a little surprised to see no EGW representation. Perhaps it is something to do with what Stefano said earlier ... that if you need what EGW offers, then you need EGW (or words to that effect) and if not it's SOGo (Zarafa or other).
I am attracted to EGW as it is like a Swiss Army Knife - lots of different apps, all designed to work together & all conveniently in one place (however it seems to me a little untidy). I like the fact that SOGo is simple (and reported to be quick) and looks neat, as I'm not the only user and I will need to sell this to colleagues currently using GMail.
Regarding resource usage - this is a concern, as I think that I will start off hosting a website on this server also (not the main site - one I want to do more experiments with - still 'live' though). I would like to keep things as light as possible.
On eGroupware:
1) (From an email from EGW user, with authors permission) -
* "In an EGW email account you can set multiple emails and the user only needs to know his account credentials (multiple email identities in one login) - all of this is administered from the admin account - this is, for me, the most important feature of EGW (in SOGo I was able to do it, but only after I entered into the individual user account - not from admin interface).
* Also, for example, consider - I as admin / technical man decide to receive my email from my email account (IMAP), AND also Support and Webmaster emails ( both of them IMAP). In a situation where I'm not the only Support or Webmaster, in EGW I can send these emails to my colleagues too.
* In EGW, because email is IMAP, you can solve one mail and move to "solved" - for all the team. This is the same for Sales / RMA / Delivery / Support teams.
* For example - I have one installation of EGW for some friends who use one 'Group' email which is supervised by almost 30 people - and on this unique incoming gateway they receive over 500 mails daily (some days over 1000). Imagine the old approach with 'group email' which made a copy to each member ... - to sync and delete emails solved by colleagues !
* I like being able to use the group email from web interface.
* In EGW the email path is more natural IMHO: client > group email > reply from group to client > reply from client to group ....
* In EGW, the main idea is that the users will need to know only their own account - the users in the group can share folders and documents between themselves without any intervention from admin (no new iBays, no other FTP...)"2) a forum quote of soprom "If I didn't need the "infolog" and "wiki" implemented in eGroupware, my first choice would be SOGo." ... which perhaps corresponds to Stefano's earlier comments on EGW.
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,49002.msg246429.html#msg246429
Once again, thank you to Stefano, Frederick, RequestedDeletion, mmccarn, Daniel et al for a very interesting discussion.
Charles
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soprom:
Thanks for this very interesting conversation about groupware software on SMEserver. It's good to have such a round-up from time to time.
I would add to the conversation that in my cases (10 users), Outlook has been the most difficult part to deal with. Zarafa becomes very expensive for small community centers. This is why we use EGW+Funambol to sync Outlook.
I understand the interest for using opensource clients but most of my users are with Outlook. As many of you, I now have to sync iphone, ipad, mac, outlook, android. And Outlook is always a problem I can't remove.
It also appears to me that the notion of groupware is getting narrower. Zarafa, Owncloud, SOGo all concentrate on mail/cal/card where an older groupware like EGW does a lot more than that. For example, if I switched to SOGo, where would I transfer years of infologs, wiki pages and timesheets?
But, as I said, the game now is to sync. If SOGo can do it, I will go that way and find another CRM.
frifri:
Hi Sophie,
Mobile-devices :
SOGO doesn't sync. You need Funambol too :
http://wiki.contribs.org/Funambol
http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Mobile%20Devices%20Configuration.pdf
The Zarafa(Z-push)-Mobile-Compatibility-List :
http://www.zarafa.com/wiki/index.php/Z-Push_Mobile_Compatibility_List
OSS-clients :
Thunderbird (+Lightning) plays with zarafa too :
http://wiki.contribs.org/Zarafa
http://www.zarafa.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_clients#Other
Outlook :
As you know, Sogo doesn't play well with Outlook, even if you have Samba4 :
http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf (see page 16)
As you know, Zarafa plays very well with Outlook, but this (and only this) connection costs money :
http://www.zarafa.com/zarafa-calculator/en
As i see it, you have all the features with Zarafa (+Owncloud/Dropbox-integration), only Outlook-connections costs money. Even with Samba4, you don't have a full-Outlook-connection on Sogo.
F.
mrjhb3:
Hello all, long time no post by me.
Very interesting thread indeed. Have a look at bug 6653 - Upgrade to horde 4, it should really say horde 5, now. Greg has done some pretty good work in trying to get all of the necessary components, but there is still much more work that needs to be done if we really want to move to horde 5, and 5.1 is looming.
In my contribs directory, http://mirror.contribs.org/contribs/jbennett/, there is, or will be soon, an updated file called horde5.zip, with a date of 4-26-2013, that will install horde5 via the pear method. Don't use this file if it's on a mirror that is dated earlier than 4-26-2013, or if you look at the script, and it says, "This script will install horde5 on SME Server 8, it should say 9. To get the updated file, use
--- Code: ---wget http://mirror.contribs.org/contribs/jbennett/horde5.zip
--- End code ---
from your server to retrieve it. It's a litte over 28MB. Then
--- Code: --- unzip horde5.zip
cd horde5
--- End code ---
Again, have a look at the Install_horde5.sh file in the horde5 directory, to verify you have the most up to date files. You will need to run this from the server console using,
--- Code: --- sh Install_horde5.sh
--- End code ---
The reason for running it from the server console is because the script shuts down the eth0 interface so that when you run the install, it doesn't try to download the already downloaded files. If anyone knows a way to have pear not try to use the Internet, I'm up for that. Those running in server-gateway mode, may need to shut down a different interface. The Internet facing interface is what needs to be shut, then no shut, so you may need to change the eth0 lines to eth1. After the initial horde files are installed, the Internet facing interface is brought back up, and a pear upgrade is run to ensure the most up to date horde files are installed.
This will install and upgrade to the latest horde, imp, ingo, turba, kronolith, mnemo, nag, gollem, trean. I've been testing this for quite some time. The UI a vastly different, and there are some really good additions, and some things that I miss. I have not tried phone syncing. Upgrades seem to work for me, except for trean, which is the bookmarks application. If using trean, you'll have to upgrade your bookmarks manually.
If you are really interested in testing this, then I would also encourage you to join the various horde mailing lists, and have a look at their archives, for any issues you are having. There are quite a few changes from horde 3 to 5, and I'll help where I can. Lastly, this install, installs what I felt would be the defaults for my system, and how I would want to use it. The only thing that I see is some log noise every five minutes, which is when the Calendar alarms cron job is run. There has been some discussion on the horde list, but no fix that I found. Here is what you will see:
--- Code: ---www HORDE: [imp] Authentication failed. [pid 2798 on line 387 of "/home/httpd/html/horde/imp/lib/Imap.php"]
--- End code ---
If horde5 is the way to go, then much work needs to be done in getting all of the various pear files converted to rpm files that can be easily installed and maintained. I tried working with this several months back, but didn't have success, so I'd need some help and guidance with the process.
We can continue this discussion in this thread, but I'd prefer someone stated a new forum thread with horde 5 as the subject. If enough interest, then we can move to the devinfo mailing list to get some assistance on getting the rpm's created, then to the bug tracker to track the progress.
Good luck if you try this, and let me know what you think.
Thanks,
John
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