Topic: A not official answer to Koozali President

[Xavier.A]

Dear John,
President, Koozali Foundation Inc.

I have received your mails but i can' t answer all your questions.

For the moment all the SME Server Eu Team is on summer holidays except me !
I will try :

I am surprised and disappointed to see what you have been doing with SME & Koozali and do not understand why you have done this ? You have made no official approach to Koozali. You say that you do not wish to argue with Koozali SME but I can see no argument ? As far as I can see there has been no arguments or discussions anywhere ?

you had sent us a mail in the beginning of the year about the fact you accept that we start to work on the Koozali's communication and marketing, no?
I can send you this mail if you want !

I cannot see anything else on the forums - there was one post on the forums announcing what you were doing but it was not an argument - just stating facts. I stated quite clearly there that you had not contacted us.

Dominique(graphist) & I (dev), we have sent  to stephdl a copy of the graphical chart (version 1 and 2), no?
You should have received a copy of the version 1 and 2 of YOUR GRAPHICAL CHART ! If it's not the case, ask stephdl, why he didn't send you the copies!
The online copy is the version 3 of YOUR GRAPHICAL CHART !!! We will use never, never and never this artwork for our needs! Why should we?

Copyright.
SME Server/contribs.org
Regarding the use of the logos please note that the SME logo and name is copyright by someone in the USA and they have a registered trademark with it. To be able to use it you will have to speak directly to them as Koozali SME have no control of the logo. SME Server/Koozali use it under permission from the owner.

No, "SME SERVER" can't be copyrighted in France because SME Server is not enough distinctive. It's like trying to protect "serveur de PME", but in France it's not possible. The logos and the design can be protected but we didn't use the SME Server logo for SME Server EDU, did we do that?

Koozali
The Koozali logo is copyright of the Koozali Foundation Inc and you have no permission from us to use it - we have not even officially released it yet. If you wish to use it then you must seek approval from Koozali SME Board first.

One more time, you asked us to do this task, we stopped working with stephdl but we keep on working on this graphical chart for Koozali ! Now you can use it, modify it or put it in the garbage, we don't really care of it, we are already working on others projects ! I will remove all artwork about Koozali in 2 days but don't forget that in France there is a quote right to permit to write or to talk about every subject !

If you wish to fork the project then you are welcome to do so, though it is a shame to split our resources. A distribution is always stronger together than apart. However if you do wish to fork, you must find a new name and make your own logo.

Couldn't you  use google translator or google chrome to try to understand this page: http://www.smeserver.eu/co/about.html?

the translation just for you :

SME Server Edu

To show all the possibilities of adapting SME Server, we offer to the community of users to extend the work done in producing a new version of SME Server: SME Server Edu!

SME Server Edu is the distribution that we will build with you and we will support all the work to adapt the SME Server. The SME Server Edu will be 100% compatible with the SME Server from Koozali but will have enhanced features to be able to take the comparison with AbulEdu, Edubuntu, Eole, SambaEdu, Skolinux or even SLIS. SME Server Edu incorporate some of the work done by the team behind Free-EOS (AFPA version of the SME Server).

The SME Server Edu will be installed, updated and monitored remotely by the administrator or an IT service. They will have all the functionality required by the law and regulations applicable to education and training institutions (school, EPLE, EPLEFPA, CFA, continuing education center, etc ...). Panorama documents modules EOLE or technical AbulEdu a network diagram have a list of features that will provide the SME Server Edu.

We are all working in educational institution, and we need a specific version of SME Server, could you design it for us, really?
If you want to call it a "fork", it's your right but : Edubutu is it a fork of Ubuntu? Skolelinux  is it a fork of Debian?
We don't think so, should we? The name is just to indicate that we will stay 100% compatible with your distribution !

Now we are working on others way to deploy applications, we want to use LXC containers and templates to install softwares. We are thinking that every things should be done in the server-manager and the use of the CLI should be the exception. The contribs should be used just to add new features to the host server and we must develop a software manager to simplify installations.

If you want to work with us, you're welcome ! but do you really want it or do you prefer fighting against mills!

Regards


PS : please don't lock the posts too quickly during holidays !

[stephdl]

That's not true Xavier.

You have decided to stop the work after an exchange with Daniel where you were really rude (sorry french inside) on the February 24, 2014. Like everyone can see you have changed your name to 'bugs bunnie', and it is one of your numerous accounts on this forum (the former was kid_of_leognan).

One should be enough Xavier.

I have saved your original post, because it was unbelievable that after few (maybe 2) weeks where you  asked to start the work with koozali, you found the time to fight for nothing with Daniel who is in the board (on February 08 2014, see that post you sent a mail to explain that you would do something for koozali).

Two weeks of work and you let drop, I remember your last mail, It was unbelievable.

We are here a really small Team (I don't speak about the board) and we cannot  fight each other. It is a time loss

[Stefano]

Xavier, I read (almost) all of your post (on all your accounts)..

you are brilliant, you have (some) good ideas and it seems to me you are skilled too..

so, the question is: why create a fork?

SME suffers the lack of active developers.. instead of creating another small team, why don't we find a way to collaborate?

there are many aspects that must be improved in SME, and the "look and feel" of server-manager is one of them..

you talk about Edubuntu ecc.. edubuntu will not exists without Ubuntu..

Finally, if you really want to "create" something good for SME, join the devinfo ML and expose there your ideas..
let's join the forces and the resources..

[Xavier.A]

@stephdl

That's not true Xavier.

You have decided to stop the work after an exchange with Daniel where you were really rude (sorry french inside)

Steph, this post is not to talk about personality problems between developers and contributors, the past is the past and i never hide the reason why i stopped to work with some Koozali members. the reasons are not just about one developer, there are a lot of reason :

• the infrastructure of the project
• the project management
• the relation with ClearOS
• the non existence of national representations of the project (french users association)
• the impossibility to vote to renew the board
• No "clear" strategy for the future
• No communication or marketing plans
• No publication of the accounts for the last past year
• No publication of the activities' report for the last past year
• No real strategy to motivate developers, we are not working all for glory
• etc....

No, this post is written to answer to John's questions :

• Are we legitimate to publish our artworks?
• Have we the right to use SME Server {NG, EU,EDU} for our project?
• SME Server Edu, is it a fork?
• Will we work all together ?

We are here a really small Team (I don't speak about the board) and we cannot  fight each other. It is a time loss

It's up to you to decide what you want to do! Fight against us or not ?

Anyway I will not answer another mails/posts about SME Server EU or SME Server EDU, it's not anymore my job!

B.Regards

[Stefano]

I'm quite sure nobody wants to fight against anyone

your reasons are clear, maybe you choose the wrong way and the wrong place to discuss them..

I repeat again.. resource fragmentation is a bad idea/thing for everybody