Topic: Ethernet woes

[Rhys]

Windows 98 recognises it as a Rockwell External V90 K56 voice modem. It says it's a voice/fax/data modem on the case. The chipset can be seen on http://www.sageworld.freeserve.co.uk/modem.jpg.

I suspect that the problem might well be with the port settings on NT4. They seem to be overly complex.

I'll stick it onto Zeus to see what happens.

Rhys

[Rhys]

[root@zeus root]# ifconfig -a
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:01:02:A5:2B:5F
          inet addr:192.168.40.10  Bcast:192.168.40.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:65280/175
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:1139 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:1098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:99
          collisions:0
          RX bytes:127311 (124.3 Kb)  TX bytes:313213 (305.8 Kb)

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:0/0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0
          RX bytes:34312 (33.5 Kb)  TX bytes:34312 (33.5 Kb)

sl0       Link encap:Serial Line IP
          inet addr:192.168.40.10  P-t-P:0.0.0.0  Mask:255.255.255.255
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:93 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:5710 (5.5 Kb)

[root@zeus root]# [root@zeus root]# ifconfig -a

Review configuration
Networking Parameters
Server Mode servergateway-private
Local IP address / subnet mask 192.168.40.10/255.255.255.0
External IP address / subnet mask /255.255.255.0
Gateway 192.168.40.10
Additional local networks No additional networks defined
DHCP server enabled
I stuck it onto Zeus. I set up the dial-up account on it. maybe I did something wrong because I listened in on the phone line and heard no dialling. The modem has two ports on the back - one labelled line and the other phone. I plugged the telephone cable into the one labled phone. Should I have plugged it into line instead?

Beginning of DHCP address range 192.168.40.65
End of DHCP address range 192.168.40.250
Server names
DNS server 192.168.40.10
Web server www.sageworld
Proxy server proxy.sageworld:3128
FTP server ftp.sageworld
SMTP, POP, and IMAP mail servers mail.sageworld
Domain information
Primary domain sageworld
Virtual domains No virtual domains defined
Primary web site http://www.sageworld
Mitel Networks SME Server manager http://zeus/server-manager/
Mitel Networks SME Server user password panel http://zeus/user-password/
Email Addresses useraccount@sageworld
firstname.lastname@sageworld
firstname_lastname@sageworld
 
I found out something interesting. I must have accidentally changed the settings for the ethernet card because my second card works while the primary doesn't now. Wierd. How can I get both to work simulteneously?

Rhys

[Dave Liquorice]

> maybe I did something wrong because I listened in on the phone line
> and heard no dialling.

If you pick up a phone that is sharing the line with a modem the chances are the modem won't attempt to dial and just report NO DIAL TONE...

>  The modem has two ports on the back - one labelled line and the
>  other phone. I plugged the telephone cable into the one labled
> phone. Should I have plugged it into line instead?

When the modem goes off hook it may well disconnect the line from the telphone socket so picking up anything plugged into that socket doesn't mess up any on going data call.

Cheers
Dave.

[Rhys]

I think I wasn't perhaps as clear as I should have been.

There's a splitter on the telephone socket on the wall. One end goes to a telephone. The other goes to a long cable.

The long cable fed into my modem via a socket labelled "phone". There's another socket labelled "line". I'm not sure which to use.

Anyway, I chose "phone" and plugged that socket straight to the telephone socket on the wall. I set the server to test the internet connection. It seemed to hang so I went to pick up the phone to listen. Nothing happening and it was still hung, listening.

Any ideas? And how does one force SME to dial and to hang up?

Rhys

[Terry Brummell]

Plug it into LINE, not PHONE.  Phone is to piggy back a set off the modem to use when the modem is not in use.

[Dean Turner]

You need to put the lead into the LINE socket, the telephone socket is just that - to plug a telephone into.

Dean

[Dave Liquorice]

> The long cable fed into my modem via a socket labelled "phone".
> There's another socket labelled "line". I'm not sure which to use.

Use the one marked "line". The one marke d "phone" is for a telephone instrument. The one marked "line" is for the telephone line..

There is one other snag you might fall over but try the line socket and if it works you didn't fall over it.  B-)

Cheers
Dave.

[Rhys]

CRASH!!!! Looks like I fell over the other snag.

What was it?

I plugged the wall socket to the Line socket. I applied power. I plugged the modem into the 9-pin seriel port. I applied the "internet test" from the admin menu via putty. (How do I get the admin menu via the browser - I only know how to get server-manager from the browser). The server produced a little BSOD to say somat akin to "oops, no connection".

Now I'm puzzled.

As I said before, the modem has a 25 pin port and a 25 pin plug that goes into the port. Out from the other end of the cable are a 9 pin plug and a 25 pin plug. Using the 25 pin plug on Persius, Windows 98 identified the modem as Rockwell External v90 k56 voice modem.

Aphrodite using the 9-pin port couldn't find the modem but then Aphrodite is running NT4 and I have quite a few problems with NT4 workstation - especially since I can't get any manuals for it locally.

Zeus only has 9-pin ports. I wonder whether I might have a 9 - 25 converter tucked away somewhere.

Anyway, the upshot is that I believe if Persius can identify the modem, it should be working. So why won't Zeus use it? Zeus by the way has a Shuttle AK 32 A board.

Rhys

[Dave Liquorice]

> CRASH!!!! Looks like I fell over the other snag.
>
> What was it?

If don't have the lead supplied with the modem to go between the wall socket and the modems line socket there can be wiring troubless.I don't think you hit that.

> I plugged the wall socket to the Line socket. I applied power. I
> plugged the modem into the 9-pin seriel port.

Plugging things in/out with power applied can do nasty things. It wouldn't be the first time a computer has be crashed by a discharge when something is plugged in.

Other than that check that SME is expecting to find a modem where you plugged it in.

Cheers
Dave.

[Ray Mitchell]

Rhys

> How do I get the admin menu via the browser

The server console (admin menu) is not accessible by a web browser by default, although there is a contrib rpm to allow command line access via web browser at
http://wiki.contribs.org/mod.php?mod=showinmain&page=http://wiki.contribs.org/contribs
which I assume will allow admin and root logon.

> the modem has a 25 pin port and a 25 pin
> plug that goes into the port. Out from the other end of the
> cable are a 9 pin plug and a 25 pin plug.

Most modems have this type of lead with multiple plugs to allow use of 9 or 25 pin sockets on your PC.

> Zeus only has 9-pin ports. I wonder whether I might have a 9
> - 25 converter tucked away somewhere.

Plug the 25 pin end of the cable into the modem and the 9 pin end into the server, no adapter needed.


> .....if Persius can identify the modem, it should be working.

Not necessarily so. Just because a modem is identified does not mean it is working.
You need to run a dial up test. I suggest you connect the modem to the COM2 port on your Win98 PC and then use Hyper Terminal program to run a test.
Dial any phone number that is real (or a known BBS service) and see if the modem rings it up. If it does then its a good chance the modem is working.
If this does not work then your modem is probably DUD (assuming you have done the test correctly).

Then try it again on the sme server after you make sure all the setup is correct in Configure the Server (see proviso below)

>  I applied the "internet test" from the admin menu via putty and got an error message

Did you first run through the configuration screens to set up your modem and dial up account details properly as per my instructions ?
"Set your sme up as a server and gateway-dialup, specify the serial port, enter the phone number, userid and password for your ISP account, specify the connection times you want (for a test set to short), save the configuration and then run the Internet connection test."


Rhys, a lot of your questions are extremely basic and not really related to issues with sme instal or setup. If you don't even know that you plug the phone line into the Line socket on the modem, then I am surprised you can even use a Windows 98 PC. As far as playing around with Win NT you must be in way over your depth (as has been said before in other posts).

Can you tell us what you are really trying to achieve, why are you playing with different operating systems, why are your playing around with sme if you don't want to use it. I had my first sme server installed in one hour and up and running in another hour. You have been carrying on in these forums now for a couple of months or so, and it still does not sound like you have a functioning sme server/gateway that is connected to the Internet.

What is your problem ?? Why it is so difficult for you to accept the advice that is given in these forums, you always seem to want to do things your way rather than as we are advising. We are only trying to help you get a functioning sme server running but you are still playing around with NT at the same time and fiddling with manually setting networks connections etc.

By all means do whatever you want to do, but do that after we have told you how to get the sme server running and after you have followed our instructions. Follow the advice given here to get your system working, and then you can pull it apart, change settings, stuff it up generally as you wish, that's your choice then, but don't count on any more help from here after that. We are just wasting our time giving you advice when you don't really follow it.

This is not a how to use and set up Windows forum or a How to plug a modem in forum. Wake up and get this advice from your friends or computer shop or wherever.

Having said all the above, we contribute as we wish to, but it would be nice if you stayed on track and followed through with our suggestions and gave us proper feedback.

I asked you before if your Win98 PC is now working correctly when connected to the sme server, well is it ??

Regards
Ray

[Ray Mitchell]

Rhys wrote:

> I found out something interesting. I must have accidentally
> changed the settings for the ethernet card because my second
> card works while the primary doesn't now. Wierd. How can I
> get both to work simulteneously?

What are you talking about here, is this in the sme server zeus ?
Why do you have 2 NICs in there ? you only have a dial up connection and only need one NIC for the local network.

Ray

[Michael Smith]

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