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Title: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 21, 2015, 09:22:07 AM
Hello,

Beside my SME server I have two Windowsclients that must have acces to the SME server. But sometimes I can see the icon from the SME server in the Windowsclient and  sometimes I do not have acces to the SME from the Windowsclients. So most times I have to reboot the Windowsclients or the SME server.
My question is, is there a way to refresh the network on the Windowsclients or SME to see the SME icon in the Windowsclients.

Thanks
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 21, 2015, 09:58:23 AM
clients are joined to a windows domain or both clients and server are in the same workgroup?

ijn any case, it seems to me like a windows issue (doh, strange enough)
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 21, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
clients are joined to a windows domain or both clients and server are in the same workgroup?

ijn any case, it seems to me like a windows issue (doh, strange enough)
Thanks for the reply.

Yes the Windowsclient are in the homegroup. I reboot the Windowsclients and now I can see on client Windows 7 the SME icon but on the other Windowsclient with Windows 8.1 I see nothing.
Both Windows are recently installed.
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 21, 2015, 11:03:31 AM
is SME in the same workgroup?

is SME the DNS server for clients?

Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 21, 2015, 11:21:15 AM
is SME in the same workgroup?

is SME the DNS server for clients?

I looked with MC in Windowsnetwork and SME is a seperate workgroup, but normal you can see SME in the homegroup.
And I found out how to refresh the network browser with right click mouse.
SME is not the DNS server for clients, my clients are directly connected with the router which has internet connection.
Yesterday everething works fine till today.
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: janet on July 21, 2015, 11:29:40 AM
input
Could this be a browsemaster issue ?
Configure sme server to have a higher number & configure the workstations with a lower number or even disable browsemaster (default usually set to Auto on windows workstations).
Search these forums on browsemaster & go back a few years
There is a registry entry to change in Windows clients
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 21, 2015, 11:29:41 AM
well, your lan coud be configured in a better way.. at least, I'd put SME in the same workgroup..

anyway, it's up to you :-)
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 21, 2015, 11:34:13 AM
input
Could this be a browsemaster issue ?
Configure sme server to have a higher number & configure the workstations with a lower number or even disable browsemaster (default usually set to Auto on windows workstations).
Search these forums on browsemaster & go back a few years
There is a registry entry to change in Windows clients

Thanks for the reply.

I will look into it.

Thanks
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 22, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
I have still trouble with showing my SME icon in the masterbrowser on the Windowsclients.
I use two Windowsclients one Win 7 the other Win 8.1.

I follow the post network neighbourhood refresh hanging in this forum.

And it makes no differents for me.

Any more ideas ?

Thanks
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 22, 2015, 07:18:22 PM
did you put all clients and SME in the same workgroup?
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 22, 2015, 07:22:01 PM
did you put all clients and SME in the same workgroup?

Yes I did. :-?
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 22, 2015, 07:24:49 PM
I'd suggest you to search on the windows' side of the issue.. good luck
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: janet on July 22, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
input

You say you looked into the browsemaster issue but what did you actually do about it ?
What settings did you change on sme server & on all your Windows workstations ?

Do you have any other Windows servers on the network ?
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 22, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
I follow the thread wat was mention earlyer. And on this moment I am using google to search for windows 8.1 masterbrowser.
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: janet on July 22, 2015, 08:34:13 PM
input

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I follow the thread wat was mention earlyer. And on this moment I am using google to search for windows 8.1 masterbrowser.

1) Which thread was that & what did you actually do when you followed it ? Be specific. People are trying to help you here & if your answers are lacking in detail then we are wasting our time.
This is significant so please do not brush this aside & consider it irrelevant.

2) The correct name is browsemaster.
In a windows network one server acts as the browsemaster. Workstations are commonly configured to Auto setting, so that they can act as the Browsemaster server in the event the main browsemaster server is "missing" or down.
SME server should be the only browsemaster server on your network, when windows workstations still have the browsemaster setting active ie set to Auto or set to a higher level (or number) than SME server, then they can conflict with SME server browsemaster functions. The first browsemaster server to turn on will act as the browsemaster server for the network, & that server may not be aware of all other servers & workstations etc, so therefore you will not see some servers when browsing.

If you whole network is not configured correctly, then for sure you will have browsemaster issues.

3) What mode is your sme server in, server only or gateway & server ?
This does affect the default browsemaster setting in sme server.

4) Please answer my earlier questions
What settings did you change on sme server & on all your Windows workstations (re browsemaster) ?
Do you have any other Windows servers on the network ?

5) Click the search link at top of these forums & enter browsemaster as the search term
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: janet on July 22, 2015, 08:51:36 PM
input

Doing the search I suggested

From
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,26199.0.html

In Win2K registry you might check this setting
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters\MaintainServerList

It has a default setting of Auto, change it to No



From
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,35724.msg157146.html#msg157146

config setprop smb OsLevel xxx
signal-event workgroup-update

eg set xxx to 30 if you want windows servers to be browsemasters or set to 95 if you want sme to be browsemaster


Also this may be useful
From
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,26199.0.html

service nmbd restart
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 22, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
My SME is in server only mode.
I have no other servers running.
I search with google and I found some threads what I had in my favorites, but already deleted because it was not helping me.
What I did in Windows register was:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters
"IsMasterBrowser" with the value off 1 and "MaintainServerlist" with the value auto

There is only one problem what I have and that is that with wincommander with open samba.conf a part off the tekst is outside my monitor. So I can not reading the samba.conf very well. :-? I tried differents things in the option mode from wincommander but till now I have no results.

I hope that your now satesfied with my answer.



Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: janet on July 22, 2015, 09:56:46 PM
input

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My SME is in server only mode.

That means it has a lower OS level setting by default (than in server & gateway mode), to allow other servers to be dominant re browsemaster.

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I have no other servers running.

OK so there is no Windows server trying to be browsemaster, but you do have windows workstations acting as browsemaster servers & all three (sme & 2 workstations) are competing against each other, & possibly there are settings in your router/gateway that are also trying to make the router be the browsemaster for your network.

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I search with google and I found some threads what I had in my favorites, but already deleted because it was not helping me.
What I did in Windows register was:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters
"IsMasterBrowser" with the value off 1 and "MaintainServerlist" with the value auto

That is really the opposite of what you want to do. These settings are configuring the workstation to be the browsemaster server, which may suit an "all Windows network". but does not ideally suit a network with SME servers.

I suggest you follow the instructions I gave in the previous post
ie
In all windows workstations
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters
"IsMasterBrowser" value 0
"MaintainServerlist" value No

On SME server
config setprop smb OsLevel 95
signal-event workgroup-update




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There is only one problem what I have and that is that with wincommander with open samba.conf a part off the tekst is outside my monitor. So I can not reading the samba.conf very well. :-? I tried differents things in the option mode from wincommander but till now I have no results.

I suggest you install Putty SSH client on your windows workstation, configure sme server to allow access (in server manager remote access panel) & then use that to view configuration files on your sme server. Ideally you should use public/private keys if accessing SSH remotely, see the Howto on that topic, link at top of Forums.

PLEASE NOTE that making changes directly to conf files on sme will only have a temporary effect (& in some many/cases you may break your server), as these settings will be lost on the next reboot of the server.
The correct way to get changes into conf files, is by issuing db commands or where no db command is available for the parameter you wish to change, then create a custom template.
Note that valid db settings & custom template settings will change values in conf files permanently (eg smb.conf)


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I hope that your now satesfied with my answer.

It is obviously better when you provide detailed accurate answers as we can give you more accurate advice of where you are going wrong or what needs to be changed.
Your earlier comment was basically a simple, "Oh well I changed them & it did not work" which really tells us nothing, but implies you have properly investigated the correct settings etc, which it appears you have not done in this case, due perhaps to a misunderstanding of how browsemaster settings can effect the network.

Changing these browsemaster settings is still a troubleshooting experiment or process of elimination on your network, to see if it resolves your problem, so let us know the outcome.
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 23, 2015, 08:58:56 AM
It is better now.  :-o What I did was setting the firewall off in my modem. My modem have acces to TV,telephone and internet. and the Windowsclient 8.1 have Wifi acces.
Do you know also a command to set the monitor resolution in SME ?

Thanks
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 23, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
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Do you know also a command to set the monitor resolution in SME ?

Can you explain it a bit more? This makes no sense to me
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 23, 2015, 09:37:37 AM
Can you explain it a bit more? This makes no sense to me

What I mean is that my screen resoltuion is not oke, when I open sme manager in the terminal  a part off the text is missing.
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 23, 2015, 10:08:51 AM
"terminal" means remote ssh session?

if so, you have to play with your ssh client
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: input on July 23, 2015, 10:27:43 AM
"terminal" means remote ssh session?

if so, you have to play with your ssh client
That is not what I mean. But I solved the problem with to adjust my monitor.
Everything is oke now.


Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: Stefano on July 23, 2015, 11:18:28 AM
That is not what I mean. But I solved the problem with to adjust my monitor.
Everything is oke now.

happy to hear it from you, but once again as Janet said above:
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People are trying to help you here & if your answers are lacking in detail then we are wasting our time.
This is significant so please do not brush this aside & consider it irrelevant
Title: Re: not always acces SME from windowsclient
Post by: janet on July 23, 2015, 11:38:27 PM
input

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What I did was setting the firewall off in my modem.

Turning the firewall off is a bad idea, unless you have some other device acting as firewall that is between the Internet & your LAN.
SME server (in server only mode) has a very limited set of firewall rules in place & should have a proper firewall in front of it.
Also every other device connected to your network eg Windows workstations etc will need to have a firewall enabled.
You are living dangerously in regards to Internet security.
There are probably better ways to configure your network to resolve your earlier stated browsing issues.