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Legacy Forums => General Discussion (Legacy) => Topic started by: rhys on April 14, 2003, 12:03:36 AM
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Well, I found my 3com combo card in my Windows 98 box seems to have an auto-configuring option that'll allow me to use either RJ45 or BNC - whichever I choose to plug in, whenever.
The Sitecom card in my Linux box doesn't have Linux drivers (even though it says Linux compatible on the package). A download from the company website produced these instructions. I'm still trying to work out what they actually mean. Do they mean that the Ethernet card actually has been accepted by SME or do they mean "No, our Linux-compatible card really isn't Linux compatible but we'll say it is because we'll give you loads of technical info to tell you how to write your own driver" (in the latter instance, I'll complain to Trading Standards about misleading packaging).
So far, I haven't been able to get a squeek out of the Linux box from my Windows boxes. I've tinkered so much, trying to get it to work that I must know more about Windows than Bill Gates. I've also, somehow, managed to "lose" the computer symbol from Network Neighbourhood too. Any ideas on that one, anybody?
My NT box needs a new PCMCIA card because the configuration software just doesn't work. It doesn't work under NT (complaining about the memory management system and demanding it be changed to mm386) and it just hangs under DOS.
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* 32-Bit PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter *
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* Driver Installation for LINUX *
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Contents:
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A) Driver Installation by Using Kernel Built-in Driver
B) Kernel Doesn't Support Driver
A) Driver Installation by Using Kernel Built-in Driver
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Some LINUX kernels had supported rtl8139 NIC. You can check whether
rtl8139.o exists or not. If your LINUX (ex. RedHat 6.1 or above) can
auto-detect rtl8139 NIC, you just skip the following installations and
follow the screen's instructions to install rtl8139.o driver directly.
1. Check the driver file "/lib/modules/2.2.XX/net/rtl8139.o".
Where the XX is the version number of the latest kernel.
2. Add "alias eth0 rtl8139" into the /etc/conf.modules file.
cd /etc
vi conf.modules
alias eth0 rtl8139
3. Run the following commands at the LINUX prompt.
modprobe rtl8139
ifconfig eth0 192.74.53.10
4. Now, you can run 'ifconfig' or 'netstat -i' to see if there is a
interface 'eth0'.
B) Kernel Doesn't Support Driver
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If your kernel doesn't support RTL8139 NIC, you should compile driver
by yourself. Please contact http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html
to get source code. The compiler command is located on the end of source
code. Maybe like "gcc -DMODULE -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c rtl8139.c".
If you couldn't compile success, maybe you should refer to error message
and copy library or head file to Linux.
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All trademarks or brand names mentioned are properties
of their respective companies.
Rhys
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Hi Rhys,
This is my understanding, if you go to the sme server console and select option 2 " Configure this server"
the first setting is your domain, press enter, the second setting is your server's name, press enter and the third setting is your ethernet card, if your rtl-8139 is shown here then it will have been found by sme. If it is not shown there is an option to "manually select driver for local ethernet adapter" if you choose this option then choose option 1 "Choose driver by specifying ethernet adapter model"
then scroll down the list and the rtl-8139 is in there (I have just checked on my server) so I assume you select this and press enter.
I am new to sme myself so maybe someone can confirm this is correct.
I have 2 sme boxes (I use 1 to practice on before I install anything to the other)and both have this same nic, and both were found on install.
Hope this helps.
Del
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Correct !!!
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The RedHat kernel used in SME Linux includes the 8139too ethernet driver for your nic. It's a modified version of the rtl8139 driver. Your nic will be autodetected in the configuration sequence. The configuration tool will write the correct lines to /etc/modules.conf, so don't mess with this yourself.
BTW: the nic manufacturer is not asking you to write your own driver, but only to compile one that was written by Donald Becker. You don't have to do this for SME, because a working driver is already included with the kernel.
Please read the manual from cover to cover, it's on the installation cdrom.
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Well, I read the manual. I read the manual ages ago. I even printed it out and read the printed version.
I've just scrolled down to rtl8139too and selected that. No luck though. The computer is still not recognised as being on the network and is still unpingable.
I have to conclude that, as members of one of the local Linux groups said "SME Linux sounds a bit broken".
It should not be necessary to have to mess about for the best part of a month, trying this and that to get the thing to work. If it's good software, it doesn't need all that messing around in order to get it to work. It's obviously not good software.
On Wednesday I'm going over to Red Hat. I need a working server and so far SME Linux has proven itself NOT to work under any circumstances.
Rhys
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Rhys,
I like you came from the MS world. I loaded SME for the first time, I also had issues with the network card, mine was not supported. I installed a 3COM that was listed in the supported section and the server came right up. I have been using my server for over 6 months. The origional server died, I moved the hard disk to a newer box and it also came up the first time and has been running great. The only problem I have had is my Web server not accessable from the outside along with port 25, these are working now and appears they were due to my ISP. So if you have not been able to get yours working in a month, then I would make sure I was using supported hardware and not try to make an unsupported nic work.
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Well, if SME won't support hardware that has a label that says "Linux compatible" then I'm not going to throw good money after bad and buy more and more different bits. There's a limit to both money and patience. Patience ran out today.
Basically, if SME Linux won't work on my system then I'm not going to change my system in vain attempts to make the unworkable work.
SME Linux is going in the bin with all the other household rubbish and good riddance! I'm now going to get either Red Hat or NT Server. I'll give Red Hat a go but if it causes any problems at all then I'm definitely going to use a proper O/S - NT Server.
SME is just a geek-toy for people who prefer to mess about than to perform a task, IMO.
Rhys
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Rhys, I'm sorry SME didn't work for you. However, your assertion that "SME Linux has proven itself NOT to work under any circumstances" is just flat wrong--it's worked well for me, and many, many other users, for quite some time (in my case, about three and a half years). If you're done with it, then so long--don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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rhys wrote:
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> Well, if SME won't support hardware that has a label that
> says "Linux compatible" then I'm not going to throw good
> money after bad and buy more and more different bits. There's
> a limit to both money and patience. Patience ran out today.
There are many Linux variants. It's about the same as saying "Windows compatible", which might mean it works in Win3.1, but not WinXP. Many Linux users specifically don't like running precompiled software, so "compatible" may only mean that there's code available to make it work.
> Basically, if SME Linux won't work on my system then I'm not
> going to change my system in vain attempts to make the
> unworkable work.
I agree that you shouldn't have to change everything around to make one thing work. However, I've never really liked Realtek NICs. Realtek chipsets seem to be very common in the cheapy NICs, the kind where they use several different chipsets without changing the model number, and stuff like that. Personally, I'd spend the $10 on a new card and try that. I love my Netgear FA310TX's...
> SME Linux is going in the bin with all the other household
> rubbish and good riddance! I'm now going to get either Red
> Hat or NT Server. I'll give Red Hat a go but if it causes any
> problems at all then I'm definitely going to use a proper O/S
> - NT Server.
Well, since SME is based on Redhat, I'd expect similar problems there. However, SME is a very specific piece of software, and Redhat's greater scope may get you past the problem.
> SME is just a geek-toy for people who prefer to mess about
> than to perform a task, IMO.
We've been running SME for a while now (since 4.1.2) on an old PC we had sitting around. 225MHz Cyrix CPU with 64MB and 4GB. In all honesty, it's been the most stable and useful (as far as adding handy new features) of our servers (including a WinFrame server and an NT4 PDC). It sounds to me like you've hit some weird problem, and are being a bit stubborn about it. If your NIC is on the HCL, send Mitel a bug report. If not, simply swapping to a NIC that is might solve all your problems.
I hope you can get SME to work for you. It's one of the best pieces of software I've found in the past few years. And it's free to boot.
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Rhys,
I have to agree with Dan, my SME installation is working fine and has been for quite a while (close to 2 years now). I said in a previous post to you, there are hundreds, possibly thousands of SME users out there that are having no problems, this means SME does work and it works well.
Your desire to stick with Linux is admirable but in going with RedHat there's one thing to keep in mind: SME is based on RedHat. This means if you're experiencing difficulties with hardware support on SME, you'll likely have the same problems with RedHat.
Good luck, I think you'll need it...
Dave
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Until Linux really gets sorted out with drivers, I think I'm probably going to have to keep trying different flavours. I wonder whether I'll ever get to use the computer I built a month or more back?
Essentially, I want to use Linux because it's reputedly more stable than Windows. And because I'll be running it as a server. I don't mind trying different versions of Linux. I just get very narked when people tell me I've done something wrong when it's plainly a problem that lies elsewhere.
Windows has almost got the drivers bit sorted out. My puzzle though is why Linux hasn't been modified to use Windows drivers. That, to me, would seem to be an obvious thing to do.
Rhys
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Hi Rhys,
Just a quickie before you give up completly, have you got Netbeui installed on the windows machines? I had problems with a NT4 server because I had tcp/ip set up on the server and tcp/ip, along with Netbeui on my workstations, I uninstalled netbeui and hey presto the NT4 server became available, I have since replaced this over-priced, over rated "reboot every few days" piece of software with SME and it works great and I don't even need a monitor for it! I also tried other versions of Linux but found that you needed at lot more experience in Linux or Unix to get them to do what SME does out of the box, I wish you the best of luck whichever way you decide to go.
Del
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I do happen to have something called netbuei.vxd. What is it? Where does it come from? What does it do?
Rhys
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Ok. I found nrtbuei and removed it. That meant I couldn't even find Persius on the network (from Persius). It did not magically make Zeus visible. I've now set it all back the way it was. Windows works. SME will not.
The only way to make SME work, it seems to me, is to build a machine around the bits that SME likes. I'm not prepared to do that. I built a machine with what I wanted on it. The O/S has to fit around that - Windows does so what on earth is wrong with Linux that it's so inflexible!
I gather that locally, there's a Linux group with loads of people doing exactly what I've been trying to do but with Red Hat, Debian, Mandrake and SuSe.
Well, thus far I've tried Corel Linux and it failed to install. I've tried SME and after a lot of messing around, it did finally install but then failed spectacularly to work.
I'll try Red Hat or whatever the local gurus recommend but I do believe that I'm going to end up with W2K server or NT4 server.
Rhys
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Rhys
You have made a number of posts on these forums and been given quite a bit of advice by people who clearly are quite knowledgeable about sme server (including myself). Your responses have consistently been to not fully listen to what you were being told. Your answers indicate that your knowledge of setting up servers and network protocols is quite poor.
You have chosen to blame sme server as being the problem rather than accept that your lack of knowledge, understanding and experience are the problem.
The sme server software works quite well, it has certain parameters under which it will work OK and under which it will NOT work OK. You must stay within those parameters no matter what you think or believe, just like any other OS including various flavours of Windows. Hardware compatibility is essential or you are just wasting your time, incompatible hardware won't work just because you wish it would !
You need to read AND ABSORB what is being said in BOTH the manuals. If you don't understand something, then ask here.
It appears that your NIC is supported by sme so therefore the way you have configured the server or you network is the most likely problem (and it commonly is).
You might want to post details here of what your network setup generally is, and then give details of the configuration settings in your server (server manager Review configuration panel). Is this the only server on your network, are all machines set for TCP/IP only, do all machines have the same workgroup name, is your server set as primary domain controller and DHCP server, are the workstations configured correctly for this, are the IP's of all machines in the same range as the server's IP. Also if you log in as admin, and on the server console menu select Configure this server, then make a note of what setting you have on each and every screen and also post that info here.
I wopuld suggest that you probably don't know the answers to some of those questions, based on other answers and feedback you have posted here. Read the section sof the manual that tell you how to set up your windows workstations correctly.
I think you have some problems in these areas and another server OS is not going to solve those sort of problems.
It might also be a good idea to keep your posts on the one thread until (hopefully/if ever ?) you sort out your basic instal and configuration. That way others can follow what you have done and what comes next more easily, rather than always starting a new post (thread) on the similar subject but just a few days later.
You might also like to stop rubbishing sme server if you want people who like, use and value sme server, to help you out.
I would also suggest you don't get opinions from Linux users about an OS (sme) that they know nothing about. Of course they will call it rubbish if they don't understand it, just like you are doing.
You said
> I have to conclude that, as members of one of the local Linux
> groups said "SME Linux sounds a bit broken".
I think the only thing broken is your attitude and your brain, sorry to say !!
Regards
and good luck
Ray Mitchell
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Hi Rhys,
The fact that after you uninstall netbuei your windows machines could no longer see each other tells you that tcp/ip is not configured properly, netbuei is a protocol that is normally foolproof on Windows machines and needs little or no settings other than to be installed on all the windows machines. Like Ray said you should check that all the windows machines have tcp/ip installed, they are configured to get a tcp/ip address automatically, they are all in the same workgroup and that the SME server is in the same workgroup and DHCP is set to ON in the SME configuration. If you are unsure about what IP range to use just keep the SME default values. I suggest you try these things after you uinstall netbuei (as you have discovered it is easy to reinstall netbuei).
Take a look here for Private IP Addresses: http://www.more.net/technical/netserv/tcpip/ipaddressing.html
Good luck and please try to follow our advice instead of going off on a tangent and creating other problems, if you go through your settings methodically on each machine one at a time making sure that the settings are correct you should have no problems at all and as Ray said if you don't understand anything post it here and you normally get an answer. I have solved 9 out of 10 of my problems with help from the good people here.
Del
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Hay Rhys !!!
If SME detect rtl (or whatever NIC) in the Setup mode, but this NIC does not work after reboot, be SURE to check BIOS (be Carefull) . Iy your BIOS have options like PnP OS present (installed) or whatever near this, be SURE to answer NO !!! I have the same expirience on my ASUS MB which runs now with 3 NICs (rtl and 3COM)...
Just check PnP OS in the BIOS , and answer NO !!! Then reinstall...
Please do a RE to the list !!! Good luck!
P.S.
Do NOT compare NT server with SME ever again !!!
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I've checked PnP in the BIOS. It says "No" and as I've never changed it, I assume it always has said "No".
I've just done an ipconfig -all and copied down all the data from the configuration window of SME.
Interestingly, SME is not shutting down when I say "shutdown now". It's hanging after dropping down to single user, on sh-2.05.a#. It's also refusing to allow me into edit mode on the console menu. I have to do everything via a root login instead.
Here's the ipconfig of my Windows 98 machine. I can't run a monitor on both as I have just one monitor.
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : PERSIUS
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
C:\AWKWARD>
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 169.254.72.239
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 04 06 03 20:58:07
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
From the Configuration window
Ethernet settings
Ethernet driver 1: 8139too
Ethernet driver 2:
External network settings
Operation mode: Server only - dedicated
Gateway IP address: 192.168.40.1
Local network settings
Local IP address: 192.168.40.1
Local subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
DHCP server: enabled, using host numbers from 192.168.40.65 to
192.168.40.250
Miscelleneous settings
Primary domain name: Sageworld
system name: zeus
external proxy : no
status reports: off
console mode: auto
contact details
contact email:
contact name:
contact organisation:
Any ideas? And can somebody explain concisely what a DHCP Server is and what a subnet mask is?
Rhys
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Rhys,
google is your freind :-)
What is a DHCP Server:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=what+is+dhcp
What a Subnet Mask is:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=what+is+subnet+mask
Both searches click on the first link for more information.
Cyrus Bharda
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Rhys
Your server IP is
Local IP address: 192.168.40.1
your workstation IP is
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
problem is your DHCP range is
DHCP server: enabled, using host numbers
from 192.168.40.65 to 192.168.40.250
I don't believe it will work this way.
Your workstation I suspect is not setup correctly to have its IP allocated by the DHCP server
Also have you got more than 1 NIC in your workstation, why the multiple config info ?? If you have more than one please remove all but one for now.
In Windows 98 Control panel select Network/Configuration tab
If you have any other protocols eg NetBui or SPX/IPX installed then remove them.
Instal the TCP/IP protocol ONLY if not already installed.
Highlight the TCP/IP protocol that is bound to your NIC eg
TCP/IP > Intel Pro 100+ or whatever in your case
select Properties
under the various tabs you should have the following
IP - obtain address automatically
Wins config - Use DHCP for Wins resolution
DNS config - disable DNS
gateway - blank
the other tabs wil probably set automatically to the correct default values
Under the control panel/Network/Indentification tab
workgroup - should be the same name as shown in sme server manager panel for workgroup setting
Save all the settings
In Windows 98
select Start/Run then type winipcfg OK
you will see some figures displayed
select the NIC adapter you have from the arrowed list (rather than a PPP setting)
clck on Releaser button, this will release all settings that the w/s got from the sme server
Then click on the Renew all button to re-establsh new settings.
You shoul see something like
adapter address - whatever
IP address - should be in the range 192.168.40.65 to 192.168.40.250
subnet mask - should be same as your serevr 255.255.255.0
gateway - 192.168.40.1 same as your server assuming your server is setup to be the gateway for your network.
Try all this out and report back to this same thread please.
By the way, do you only have one server on the network and is it a sme. If you have multiple servers you can only have one of them as DHCP server.
> Primary domain name: Sageworld
would generally be entered as sageworld.com (or whatever)
> console mode: auto
you need to change this setting to "login" using the server console/configure this server option, step through all the settings without changing them until you see this one, it is near the end.
By the way you have been told this before and obviously didn't change it.
If you want sme server as your internet gateway you will need to change this
> Operation mode: Server only - dedicated
to gateway mode
That'll be $130 tech call out fee please !!! Ha ha
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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I believe rhys mentioned a while ago that the sme is not his gateway, I think he said he uses dialup on the 98 box. That's coming from memory, I could be wrong.
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I'll have to print out Ray's advice now. That's the problem with using two computers and only one monitor.
Terry - you're correct. My network is configured as follows:
PC (Persius) - P166 SS7 (AT) handles the modem tasks and connects to Laptop (Aphrodite) and server (Zeus) via RJ45. Currently Laptop and PC won't talk via RJ45 but will via BNC. Server has no BNC.
Only one NIC card is in use on each machine.
Persius has a 3 com combo card set to auto (so that it'll work with both BNC and RJ45)
Zeus has a Sitecom card with solely RJ45. (I do also have a 3Com RJ45 card for Zeus but it's not installed and its condition is untested - I got it from a junk box).
Rhys
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One other question that should be asked is , how is he trying to connect the SME box to any of his other pc's? Since he is using as he says rj45, is he using a hub in the middle or does he have a crossover Cat5 cable? Since he is also saying that his other pc's are connected with thinwire(coax), could he be thinking that cat5 works the same, and he doesn't have the correct wiring between the boxes? just my 2 cents. Sound like he needs a networking 101 class adn a tcp/ip 101 class, anyone have a link on the web to a good place that explains this stuff for a novice?
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I do have a hub sitting on top of my server, unconnected, at the moment.
The current setup is Zeus and Persius are connected via RJ45 patch cable and a crossover adaptor.
When I run my BNC setup, that's just a connection from my laptop to Persius.
Just one thought... Does it matter that I haven't unplugged the BNC cable from Persius? I haven't got Aphrodite connected to the BNC cable. Just a thought.
Rhys
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I don't believe the NIC in Persius (or any other NIC) will communicate via both BNC and RJ45 at the same time. Try unplugging the BNC, and see if that makes a difference. The card would be able to sense that the cable is connected, and might be trying to use that connection instead of the RJ45.
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One thing to be aware of when changing network cables type (from BNC to RJ45 or vice versa) is that the machines will almost certainly need a cold boot and may even need to be power cycled. Simply swaping cables about won't work, the cards detect the network cable at boot time and stick to it. Also having both types of cable plugged in simultaneously may lead to troubles, especialy if the other end is connected to anything powered up.
Cheers
Dave.
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Rhys
Is there a reason why you want to use the workstation (Persius) to connect via modem to Internet, the sme server is designed to do this and share this connection to all PC's connected on the network. sme server has a built in firewall which you should trust as do many many other users.
You need to set up a basic system and troubleshoot it, and then you can add other workstations etc later.
My suggestion is:
For now only connect the server (Zeus) and a workstation running Windows 98(Persius) together using RJ45 cable with the crossover adapter.
Remove ALL BNC type thin ethernet cables.
Remove all protocols from the workstation except TCP/IP and configure the workstation as per my previous instruction.
Confirm or check that your sme server NIC setting is correct for the NIC you have in the server.
Shutdown the windows workstation.
Shutdown the server, you can log on as admin to the Server console and select shutdown from the menu.
Start the server and after it has fully started, then start the workstation.
Assuming you have done all the settings previously advised then on the Windows 98 workstation do Start/Run/winipcfg OK
Select the NICadapter name you have installed, you should now see (hopefully) correct values (as per previous advice). Click OK to exit this screen
Select Start/Run and type in ping 192.168.40.1 OK
You should see the workstation "pinging" the server and see some response eg Reply .........
If this works, then good you have a connection between your w/s and server.
If not something is still not right.
Please report back to this thread again your results, good or bad.
More to come later depending on what's needed. Please don't rush ahead.
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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Rhys
> I do have a hub sitting on top of my server, unconnected, at
> the moment.
You have a hub but are not using it, why not ??
> When I run my BNC setup, that's just a connection from my
> laptop to Persius.
> Just one thought... Does it matter that I haven't unplugged
> the BNC cable from Persius? I haven't got Aphrodite connected
> to the BNC cable. Just a thought.
You can't just plug and unplug BNC thin ethernet cables and not have computers connected to the end of the cable, they generally have to remain permanently connected as they need to be terminated correctly. Do you have termination set internally "on" inside each NIC for the BNC cable. Alternatively do you have a T connector and a 50 ohm terminator resistor on each end of the cable at the back of each NIC card.
If you don't terminate ethernet cable correctly it just won't work !!
Anyway this is an aside as you do not really want to be using BNC & thin ethernet cabling.
Your final arrangement should be to plug each workstation and server NIC directly into the hub using Cat 5 twisted pair cabling with RJ45 plugs. Nothing more to do it's that easy.
Get a NIC card for your laptop that supports RJ45 if you do not have one at the moment.
Please report back to this thread.
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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OK. Latest news.
I'd tried using RJ45 without unplugging my BNC cable from Persius, when I wanted communication between just Aphrodite and Persius (NT4 - W98). That didn't work. As soon as I unplugged the BNC cable from Persius (despite the fact that the BNC cable didn't communicate with anything else, I had a connection.
Next, I removed the Netbuei connection from Aphrodite. Netbuei was the only connection protocol in use. I substituted it with TCP/IP and gave it an address of 1 greater than Persius.
Hey Presto, Aphrodite and Persius now talk to each other down an RJ45 line.
Having got Aphrodite to work like this, I'm probably in a better position to whinge about Zeus. I'll have to try Zeus later. I'm pushed for time now. There's a local Linux group meeting (nobody there uses SME) so I'll be back after a few (what's the Aussie slang) Schooners?
Rhys
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Rhys
If you want your workstations to be able to talk to the server then the w/s and server must ALL have the IP address in the correct range.
One of your w/s (persius I think it was) has an IP of 192.168.40.10 whereas it needs to be in the range 192.168.40.65 to 192.168.40.250 which your sme DHCP server is providing to the network.. This should happen automatically if you set everything up correctly (as advised).
Things are obviously improving but you are going about it the wrong way.
Get one workstation to talk to the server (troubleshoot it if needed) and when things are running right then add other workstations.
Nothing is gained greatly by getting two w/s to talk to each other. This connection between workstations will happen automatically when you get the workstations talking to the server.
Regards
Ray
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Ray Mitchell wrote:
> If you want your workstations to be able to talk to the
> server then the w/s and server must ALL have the IP address
> in the correct range.
> One of your w/s (persius I think it was) has an IP of
> 192.168.40.10 whereas it needs to be in the range
> 192.168.40.65 to 192.168.40.250 which your sme DHCP server is
> providing to the network.. This should happen automatically
> if you set everything up correctly (as advised).
Sorry, Ray, this is not correct. You're right that the IP address needs to be in the correct range, but the "correct range" is his class C subnet--in this case, 192.168.40.[1-254]. If he's manually setting the IP addresses on his client machines, as he appears to be, those addresses must _not_ be within the DHCP range--so, in this case, any manually-set addresses must be 192.168.40.[1-64].
Of course, if he just has the client machines obtain the IP adress automatically via DHCP, they'll get an address in the correct range, along with all the other information they need to operate correctly.
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Ok. I deleted everything from Network Neighbourhood and reinstalled the drivers. Now there's just the ethernet adaptor plus TCP/IP. For some bizarre reason, it kept complaining that "your network is not complete" until I'd added Client for Microsoft Networks". The I/P config is now:
(C)Copyright Microsoft Corp 1981-1998.
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : PERSIUS
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 195.92.195.95
195.92.195.94
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 217.134.34.227
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 217.134.34.227
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 01 01 80 00:00:00
Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 01 01 80 00:00:00
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.1
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
I'll try to connect to Zeus later. Right now I'm just doing a satisfactory test - does it still dial-up - it does.
Rhys
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> ........so, in this case, any manually-set addresses must be 192.168.40.[1-64].
> Of course, if he just has the client machines obtain the IP
> adress automatically via DHCP, they'll get an address in the
> correct range, along with all the other information they need
> to operate correctly.
Thanks Dan for that clarification I'm still learning so I'm quite open to correction. After making my post I thought the same that rhys may be manually setting the NIC IP's, but in my observation he is making life hard for himself by not allowing automatic allocation via DHCP. rhys is obviously bordering on not knowing what he is doing so I thought the automatic way was the right way for him to go.
Regards
Ray
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Aphrodite
Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM)
(C) Copyright 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp.
C:\>ping aphrodite
Pinging aphrodite.Sageworld [192.168.40.11] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.40.11: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.11: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.11: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.11: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
C:\>ping zeus
Bad IP address zeus.
C:\>netstat -e
Interface Statistics
Received Sent
Bytes 16707 19087
Unicast packets 12 12
Non-unicast packets 170 170
Discards 0 0
Errors 0 0
Unknown protocols 0
C:\>netstat -s
IP Statistics
Packets Received = 142
Received Header Errors = 0
Received Address Errors = 0
Datagrams Forwarded = 0
Unknown Protocols Received = 0
Received Packets Discarded = 0
Received Packets Delivered = 142
Output Requests = 196
Routing Discards = 0
Discarded Output Packets = 0
Output Packet No Route = 0
Reassembly Required = 0
Reassembly Successful = 0
Reassembly Failures = 0
Datagrams Successfully Fragmented = 0
Datagrams Failing Fragmentation = 0
Fragments Created = 0
ICMP Statistics
Received Sent
Messages 8 11
Errors 0 0
Destination Unreachable 0 0
Time Exceeded 0 0
Parameter Problems 0 0
Source Quenchs 0 0
Redirects 0 0
Echos 4 7
Echo Replies 4 4
Timestamps 0 0
Timestamp Replies 0 0
Address Masks 0 0
Address Mask Replies 0 0
TCP Statistics
Active Opens = 1
Passive Opens = 1
Failed Connection Attempts = 0
Reset Connections = 0
Current Connections = 2
Segments Received = 3
Segments Sent = 3
Segments Retransmitted = 0
UDP Statistics
Datagrams Received = 131
No Ports = 4
Receive Errors = 0
Datagrams Sent = 182
C:\>netstat -n
Active Connections
Proto Local Address Foreign Address State
TCP 127.0.0.1:1025 127.0.0.1:1026 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:1026 127.0.0.1:1025 ESTABLISHED
C:\>ipconfig
Windows NT IP Configuration
Ethernet adapter ND51001:
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.11
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
C:\>ipconfig -all
Windows NT IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : aphrodite.Sageworld
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes
Ethernet adapter ND51001:
Description . . . . . . . . : Novell 2000 Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-80-C6-04-BF-D7
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.11
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Primary WINS Server . . . . : 192.168.40.10
C:\>
Persius
C:\AWKWARD>netstat -all
Displays protocol statistics and current TCP/IP network connections.
NETSTAT [-a] [-e] [-n] [-s] [-p proto] [-r] [interval]
-a Displays all connections and listening ports.
-e Displays Ethernet statistics. This may be combined with the -s
option.
-n Displays addresses and port numbers in numerical form.
-p proto Shows connections for the protocol specified by proto; proto
may be TCP or UDP. If used with the -s option to display
per-protocol statistics, proto may be TCP, UDP, or IP.
-r Displays the routing table.
-s Displays per-protocol statistics. By default, statistics are
shown for TCP, UDP and IP; the -p option may be used to specify
a subset of the default.
interval Redisplays selected statistics, pausing interval seconds
between each display. Press CTRL+C to stop redisplaying
statistics. If omitted, netstat will print the current
configuration information once.
C:\AWKWARD>netstat -a
Active Connections
Proto Local Address Foreign Address State
TCP persius:68 PERSIUS:0 LISTENING
TCP persius:1025 PERSIUS:0 LISTENING
TCP persius:137 PERSIUS:0 LISTENING
TCP persius:138 PERSIUS:0 LISTENING
TCP persius:nbsession PERSIUS:0 LISTENING
UDP persius:nbname *:*
UDP persius:nbdatagram *:*
C:\AWKWARD>netstat -e
Interface Statistics
Received Sent
Bytes 5932 7016
Unicast packets 0 0
Non-unicast packets 43 48
Discards 0 0
Errors 0 0
Unknown protocols 0
C:\AWKWARD>
IPconfig before winipconfig release and renew, while zeus connected
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : PERSIUS
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 169.254.165.173
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 04 17 03 12:48:02
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
C:\AWKWARD>
new settings:
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : PERSIUS
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 169.254.165.173
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 04 17 03 12:48:02
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
C:\AWKWARD>
C:\AWKWARD>ping zeus
Unknown host zeus.
C:\AWKWARD>
C:\AWKWARD>ping 192.168.40.10
Pinging 192.168.40.10 with 32 bytes of data:
Destination host unreachable.
Destination host unreachable.
Destination host unreachable.
Destination host unreachable.
Ping statistics for 192.168.40.10:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
C:\AWKWARD>
No change there!
I've even done as suggested with SME and it hasn't made the slightest bit of difference. The only other change I've made is to renumber SME to .40.10, Aphrodite to .40.11 and Persious should be .40.12 except the auto stuff obviously didn't work.
Rhys
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Hi Rhys,
Can you log onto your sme server as root and run the command "ifconfig" without the " and yes it is F not P as you've been using in windows. Then put the results on this thread.
Cheers,
Del
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Sure. How do I capture the output in order to paste it (via a floppy) to here? I don't (shudder) have to go back to such neanderthal methods as pen and paper (or tablet and chisel even) do I?
Rhys
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ittitiy
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Hi rhys
If you're using Putty to access zeus, all you have to do, is to mark the text. You can then paste it into any of your Windows applications.
Best regards
Per Smith
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Hi Per,
I can't access Zeus with putty - at all.
Rhys
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He doesn't have networking working yet, so putty is out of the question. So, unless you wanna learn about mounting drives I'd just write all the info down and respond to us rhys, it'll be much quicker that way, you already have enough to learn.
Terry
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Ah well, back to the Stone Age....
Carved into tablets of stone, pinched from the Ark of the Covenant...
ifconfig
lo link encap local loopback
inet address 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0
up loopback running mtu16436 metric 1
rx packets 0 errors 0 dropped 0 overuns 0 frame 0
tx packets 0 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0
collisions 0
rx bytes 0 (0,0,b) tx bytes 0 (0,0,b)
No difference whether Aphrodite was plugged in or not.
I noticed the red light flickered on the Aphrodite PCMCIA card and the green rermained constant. I assume the lights were the same on Zeus but I didn't look. I know zeus has lights on the ethernet card that come on and flicker.
Rhys
(wondering if he should upgrade to the abacus)
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That's it? Well, here's your answer, SME doesn't see your network card...
You should have something there that says "eth0" or "eth1" with the IP info. "lo" is the loopback interface on the SME, same as pinging "localhost" on your Windows boxes. Is the network card in the SME of a supported variety?
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That's ludicrous! It's a card that's supported. It says so on the box.
Now that the menu-driven window has vanished, how can I get it back? With that at least I can cycle through the drivers to try to get SME to recognise a card that is supported by Linux. Maybe the card manufacturers were relying on a more up-to-date version of Red Hat than went into Linux.
Rhys
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Hi Rhys,
Maybe it is a faulty nic? If you are based in the UK go out and buy a Genius NIC they worked every time for me when I was living in the UK, I only wish I could buy them here in the US.
Del
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No. Looks like SME is faulty. It seems to want to call my NIC, Tulip this time. This time though, I'm getting eth 0 and lots more info. I still can't find it in Network Neighbourhood.
All I can say is thank God somebody's giving me a copy of NT4 server.
Rhys
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Hi Rhys
One thing I don't quite understand:
You say in an earlier post, that you've changed the IP address from ..40.1 to ..40.10.
That indicates, that your NIC is installed in Zeus. Is that something you've installed manually, or was it detected automatically?
If it was manually added, try to remove it, and try to automatically detect it again.
Do you use your hub now, or are you still using the crossover cable?
If you use the crossover cable, you may need to reboot Zeus when connecting, in order to bring up the interface.
Best regards
Per Smith
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Hi Rhys,
Forget Network Neighbourhood. That will probably first show up when you've enabled it in server-manager.
Can you ping it after you've gotten the new info?
-Per
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Post new info here
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> All I can say is thank God somebody's giving me a copy of NT4 server.
Publicly admitting software piracy is generally not a smart thing to do. But hey what the hell, you don't seem like a person who does anything smart...
I have personally deployed more than a dozen SME servers in organisations ranging from 2 to 73 users. I've deployed it as a standalone server and as a server working alongside Windows servers and other Unix servers, in environments where clients were Windows, Macs and Linux.
I've met my share of problems along the way and you know what: they've all been solvable if you know what you're doing. I've been following your ramblings over the past couple of weeks and one thing is pretty clear: you completely lack the fundamental skills for configuring, not to mention troubleshooting, a network. You need to do a whole lot of RTFM and STFW before you start blaiming your own lack of skills on SME.
SME works. Period. No buts, no ifs. Read the HCL, check your hardware against the HCL, read and do what it says in the manual and you'll have a server running in less than one hour from the time you start your install. That's more than what can be said for ths OS you apparently see as your savior, NT. You would be lucky to get that thing running and set up to perform the same things as a SME server within a day. I'm not bashing on Microsoft, I've done my share of server installs and configurations on that platform as well...
BTW: NT4 is EOL, you might want to go for a copy of W2K server. And your expertise in configuring SME certainly suggests that you would have absolutely no problems in configuring Active Directory, DNS and such, not to mention setting up a mailserver like Exchange 2000. Yeah right, and pigs fly...
/TK
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Software Piracy??? The guy's upgraded to W2K. It's a freebie (original disks & manual etc). I'm one of those people who (maybe misguidedly rings Microsoft every time I see pirated MS software on sale).
I matched the addresses on Aphrodite and those on Zeus. Zeus is currently configured as server only.
I pinged Zeus from Aphrodite and had the following:
C:\>ping zeus
Pinging zeus.Sageworld [192.168.40.10] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.40.10: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.40.10: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.40.10: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.40.10: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
C:\>
C:\>
BUT... Why can't I see Zeus in Network Neighbourhood and why can't I ping Aphrodite from Zeus?
I managed to get the server-manager window up on Aphrodite too (using IE 3.5).
I guess this means I'm getting there albeit slowly. This is what the server-manager window announced. I've already pasted (earlier) the ipconfig for Aphrodite (running NT4).
Review configuration
Networking Parameters
Server Mode serveronly
Local IP address / subnet mask 192.168.40.10/255.255.255.0
Gateway 192.168.40.10
Additional local networks No additional networks defined
DHCP server enabled
Beginning of DHCP address range 192.168.40.65
End of DHCP address range 192.168.40.250
Server names
DNS server 192.168.40.10
Web server www.sageworld
Proxy server proxy.sageworld:3128
FTP server ftp.sageworld
SMTP, POP, and IMAP mail servers mail.sageworld
Domain information
Primary domain sageworld
Virtual domains No virtual domains defined
Primary web site http://www.sageworld
Mitel Networks SME Server manager http://zeus/server-manager/
Mitel Networks SME Server user password panel http://zeus/user-password/
Email Addresses useraccount@sageworld
firstname.lastname@sageworld
firstname_lastname@sageworld
Now, what's the next step (apart from connecting Persius, Aphrodite and Zeus via my hub)?
Rhys
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By George I think he got it! Good for you! OK, moving along, (IE 3.5?? what's with that?) If you can ping Zeus from Aphwhatever, the other should be possible too. Try using the IP address's instead of the names. There may be something to sort out in WINS before naming works.
Some things to keep in mind:
1. All 3 machines should have unique IP adresses withing the 192.168.40.1-64 range so it doesn't interfere with the DHCP addresses
2. All machines should have the same subnet mask (255.255.255.0 in this case)
3. All machines should have the same workgroup name. In the SME that is assigned in the server-manager in the Workgroup menu, do not bother making the SME the domain controller at this time. Set the workgroup on your Windows machines somewhere in the Control Panel (I forget exactly where now).
Make those changes and report back what happens.
Terry
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As an aside. Can anybody recommend a good book (not a great tome) to explain simply how servers, I/Ps, subnets, masks and the various protocols work?
I'm thinking of something like the Hodder and Stoughten series (doubt they've got a book to cover it), not great big doorsteps like Sams etc produce.
I've only just changed from BNC to RJ45 so I'm combining a new machine built with ATX plus a new cabling system plus a new O/S. Until now I've been happily running AT systems with BNC cabling and Windows 95/98/NT4 and NT4's only a recent development for me. So, I'm still a mite confused by all these new things.
Rhys
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Rhys
> Pinging zeus.Sageworld [192.168.40.10] with 32 bytes of data:
> Reply from 192.168.40.10: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Yes looks like you have got it !!
HOORAY, SCREAMS, WHOOPS and YELLS of delight !!!
> Now that the menu-driven window has vanished, how can I get
> it back?
It did not vanish, you told sme to require log in to display the Server console screen (rather than auto display). Log in as admin to get the server console, log in as root to get the command prompt. (the admin password is the same for both).
> Now, what's the next step (apart from connecting Persius, Aphrodite and Zeus
> via my hub)?
I think that IS the next step.
Just make sure that all your PC's and server are in the same workgroup, set this in sme server manager/workgroup panel, and in Windows in Control panel/Network..
> Software Piracy??? The guy's upgraded to W2K. It's a freebie
If it is truly an upgrade (ie costs less than a full purchase), then the software license transfers to the new version (W2K) but remains explicitly attached to the old version, meaning that technically the old NT4 cannot be used by anyone, including the original license holder, as he is the one license to run the new W2K version which he is now using.
Your answer only applies if the new purchase was for a FULL version of the W2K program (not an upgrade), which effectively means a new separate licence was purchased.
Happy using of sme (finally)
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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This is interesting. I can communicate with Zeus from Aphrodite (NT4) but not from Persius (Win 98). I can ping Zeus from Persius but can't get http://zeus/server-manager/ to come up. Also, I can't see Persius in Persius' Network Neighbourhood, now Zeus. I've done an ipconfig and a c&p of the pings. Zeus is supposed to be 192.168.40.10 (that's how I assigned it, anyway) so I'm puzzled now as to why it's pinging as 192.168.40.12 (which was the number assigned to Persius). Any ideas on any of these questions - anybody?
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : zeus.sageworld
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.12
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Primary WINS Server . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
C:\AWKWARD>
C:\AWKWARD>ping zeus
Pinging zeus.sageworld [192.168.40.12] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Ping statistics for 192.168.40.12:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
Rhys
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Well, why "Persius" is pinging 192.168.40.12 is obvious--it thinks it's zeus. That's also why you can't get to the server manager page.
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Why does Persius think it's Zeus? It's called Persius on the Identification tab of Network Neighbourhood.
I'll have a little play with the settings to try to work on this one unless somebody can tell me exactly where I'm going wrong.
Rhys
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Why persius thinks it's zeus I don't know, but here's what makes me say that (from your post):
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : zeus.sageworld
Try taking a look at the DNS configuration. The name and domain it asks for there are for the machine you're configuring, not for your DNS server.
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I think this is better. I can't find out how to fix the fact that I can't now ping by name.
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : Persius
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.12
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.12
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
C:\AWKWARD>
When I ping, I get:
C:\AWKWARD>ping 192.168.40.12
Pinging 192.168.40.12 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Ping statistics for 192.168.40.12:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms
C:\AWKWARD>ping persius
Pinging Persius [192.168.40.12] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.40.12: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Ping statistics for 192.168.40.12:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms
C:\AWKWARD>ping zeus
Unknown host zeus.
C:\AWKWARD>
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No, it needs the IP address(es) of your DNS server(s), but the name and domain you enter are for the client machine.
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Hmm. Interesting. I fixed it all - and made sure that the setup in Persius was the same as in Aphrodite. The only differences between Persius and Aphrodite are:
Persius runs a firewall, an antivirus and a dial-up modem. Other than that, they are pretty similar (aside from the fact Persius runs Win98 and Aphrodite runs NT4).
I can see Aphrodite in Aphrodite's Network Neighbourhood. I can't see Persius in Persiuses Network neighbourhood. Zeus doesn't appear anywhere.
I can ping Zeus from either by name or number now.
But...while everything's perfect on Aphrodite, Persius is now having major problems:
1. Norton Antivirus keeps crashing about every other boot.
2. Zone Alarm keeps crashing about every other boot.
Those two must share a .dll, I'd guess.
When I want to access the Internet for web pages, I can do it via Netscape but Internet Explorer (my favoured browser) comes up with the following:
The requested URL could not be retrieved
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While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.dcresource.com/cgi-bin/WebX.dcrp
The following error was encountered:
Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.dcresource.com
The dnsserver returned:
Server Failure: The name server was unable to process this query.
This means that:
The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL.
Check if the address is correct.
Your cache administrator is admin@sageworld.
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Generated Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:24:19 GMT by zeus.sageworld (Squid/2.4.STABLE6)
Very interesting. Has anybody any ideas about that.
While we're on the subject - I'd guess you're all going to say buy a pci modem: how do I know when the modem on the server has hung up and when it's dialled or is in use?
Rhys
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On Win 98 to see a machines own name in Network Neighbourhood you need to turn on file and print sharing, even if you don't setup a share.
As far as the browser error it looks to me like you've setup your SME to be your DNS server, if it doesn't have internet access it's gonna have one helluva hard time looking up names for you. Your DNS should be being provided to you via DHCP on your dialup link.
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Rhys wrote:
> Persius runs a firewall, an antivirus and a dial-up modem.
> Other than that, they are pretty similar (aside from the fact
> Persius runs Win98 and Aphrodite runs NT4).
Software firewalls are disastrous while trying to get networks sorted out. Even when you think you've told it to leave the internal network alone it will still intercept stuff and block you. Turn your Zone alarm off completely until you get set up.
Ed Form
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Ok. I now have Persius showing up in Persius Network Neighbourhood.
Internet Explorer now doesn't seem to want to work at all. Every time I try to use it, I get told the site/page does not exist. Netscape, perversely, works as it did before (apart from certain sites that it really does a bad job of). I'm puzzled as to why one browser should work while another will not. This is, however, a Windows problem.
Regarding the firewall, when I have Zeus online, the firewall seems to crash on boot - the same as Norton AntiVirus.
Now, a question about SME. How good is SME's alleged firewall? How does one activate it; how does one open/close ports etc? If I put a PCI modem onto Zeus (my current modem is ISA), how could I ensure that it has hung up? My current ISA modem under Win 98 doesn't always hang-up although I think this is more to do with Windows being buggy than the modem itself.
Rhys
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Rhys
> Internet Explorer now doesn't seem to want to work at all.
> Every time I try to use it, I get told the site/page does not
> exist.
Have a look in IE Tools/Internet options/General and check what your home page setting is.
If you use the sme server to provide Internet access you also need to check your Lan settings (button) under the Connections tab. If you use sme server, you can just tick Automatically detect settings or you can set a proxy server although that appears to be no longer neccessary with recent releases.
> Regarding the firewall, when I have Zeus online, the firewall
> seems to crash on boot - the same as Norton AntiVirus.
I suggest you stop using the firewall on the Win98 computer, and switch over to access to the Internet via your now functioning sme server (with a modem connected to it).
> Now, a question about SME. How good is SME's alleged
> firewall? How does one activate it; how does one open/close
> ports etc?
Well its not an alleged firewall it IS a firewall.
See http://www.e-smith.org/docs/papers/smeserver-security.html#ongoing
for an indication of the approach Mitel take. Signifcant improvements haev been made to later versions ie v5.6.
All settings are made via server-manager, as you make changes or enable services etc the appropriate ports are opened etc etc. The firewall is functional immediately if you select gateway & server mode. The server manager is the GUI interface to control your sme server for just about all functions.
If you want more there are plenty of add on packages available that will add to the server manager panels.
Now you have networking access to your server just open a browser at http://zeus/server-manager or of course you can access a text based server manager directly on zeus server by logging on as admin and selecting server manager.
The beauty of sme is that you do not need a great level of technical knowledge to set up a server (in fact almost zero tech knowledge, the secretary could do most daily admin maintenance tasks).
Use the server manager first and then study what goes on behind the scenes as and when you become more competent and knowledgeable. Anything can be done using the command prompt but sme is designed to minimise if not do away with compeltely the need to use the command line for typical small office and business situations.
If I put a PCI modem onto Zeus (my current modem
> is ISA), how could I ensure that it has hung up?
You can also connect external serial modem and ADSL modems and cable modems. A second NIC will be needed to connect the server to an ADSL modem via Cat5 cable.
For dial up modem connections there are rpms available (at cost) that you can initiate a connection and terminate a connection, see link item 7. Dial Up Tools http://www.dungog.net/sme/products/index.php
By default when you access email or web the sme server will dial up and make a modem connection to your ISP, this will time out automatically after 10 or 20 minutes idle time depending on what type of access you last made ie email or web. You can set up custom templates to alter these times though.
If I were you I would really switch over to using the features of sme ands stop using your Win98 machine for Internet access etc. Trust what the sme does, the default settings are very safe, remember that Mitel supplies essentially the same product (albeit supported) directly to end users and they would not do that if it did not work securely and safely.
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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Ok. Are there any modems that are suited to SME and are there any that are not suited. I'm looking at www.dabs.com for the cheapest 56k voice/fax/modem.
I tried what you said with IE. Strangely, setting the homepage from blank to yahoo and back to blank got IE working again. Microsoft is nothing if not bizarre!
Rhys
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> Are there any modems that are suited to SME and are there any that
> are not suited.
Those that aren't supported. B-) As you seem concerned about knowing if the modem has hung up ot not why not go for an external? You can then watch the blinking lights and driver problems are much less likely to be an issue.
Might be worth a look on e-bay to see what external modems are about.
Cheers
Dave.
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Hmm. I've come across a lot of rogues on e-bay.
Well, my latest progress is: I can see Zeus in Network Neighbourhood. I can't see Persius from Aphrodite or vice versa though.
I set up a user account and put my entire website on it and can view it from Aphrodite (it originated on Persius).
I'd like to be able to use Zeus to store several gigabytes of data from Persius but I'm not 100% sure how to use it as a file repository (or rather, the best method).
I managed to shut down Zeus from Aphrodite but didn't try (I should have) to access the server manager from Persius. Last time I tried, I remember Persius wanted to make a dial-up connection.
I can see there's a whole new approach to file, data and software handling to learn. I'm keen to start. Is there any book that's particularly recommended?
Thus far, I like it.
Rhys
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If I remember right Perius was your internet connection,if so open IE and choose "Tools' from the menu bar, then choose "Internet Options" then go to the "Connections" tab check "Never Dial a Connection" this will stop it asking for a dial up connection when you enter your address for the server-manager.Do you know how to map a network drive? If so log on as rhys and map your personal folder on the server (all sme users have one) and then you can transfer the data from Persius to this folder on SME through My Computer (or explorer). Have you enable "File and Printer Sharing" on both windows machines? Like a previous posting said you need to do this to see computers in network neighborhood.
Regards,
Del
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Ah. Now this is getting interesting as well as useful :)
Now, a very interesting question:
Aphrodite has a tiny hard drive and so it's not a good idea to store much software on it. Suppose I wanted to install some on Zeus but to run it from Aphrodite. Is it possible to do a network install that's not going to upset Aphrodite when Aphrodite is asked to perform as a laptop, using non-network software. IE: I want to install Photo Editor onto Aphrodite but to leave the program on Zeus. If I do that and then take Aphrodite away from Zeus and use Aphrodite, is Aphrodite going to get her knickers in a twist because Zeus isn't present?
Just how would I do a network install of a program? What happens if I want to use the program from two different computers? Do I have to install twice? How about uninstalling?
Aphrodite has no CD unit because she's an elderly lady. Is it possible and how can I access the CD unit on Zeus to install software for Aphrodite?
Rhys
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Rhys
> Ok. Are there any modems that are suited to SME and are there
> any that are not suited.
Most standard modems will be OK but WinModems are NOT suitable (they utilise the chips in a Windows PC). You may care to look at the Red Hat Hardware Compatibility List at
http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?pagename=hcl
I agree that an external modem may suit your requirements better so you can monitor the connection visually. Get a serial port type.
> Is there any book that's particularly recommended?
Yes, the Mitel sme admin and tech support manuals, which it seems like you still have not read and digested or you would know about setting up ibays to store files on ! The manuals are on the install CD in the documentation folder.
> Thus far, I like it.
AMAZING for someone (Rhys) who on the 30/3/03 said:
"My advice is - avoid SME Linux like the plague. It absolutely will not and cannot work. It's obviously a joke software release. Well, I don't find 15 hours of trying to get the thing installed and then cleaning up the mess it left behind all that funny. The sooner SME is withdrawn the better.
I hate Microsoft but I'm now going to do what I should have done in the first place - buy NT4 Server."
> Just how would I do a network install of a program? What
> happens if I want to use the program from two different
> computers? Do I have to install twice? How about uninstalling?
You need to create a ibay using server manager Information bays panel.
You will se that new ibay in Network Neighbourhood. Map the shared ibay to a drive letter and then instal software to that drive.
If you want to use the one common install of software on your mapped ibay, then you would instal twice, once from each workstation to the same drive letter location on your server.
Many programs should run OK that way, but some may have problems with multi users at the same time, depends on the program.
Uninstal will work OK the first time, but the second may crash, just do a reinstal on the second PC to be uninstalled and then do the uninstal.
> Is it possible and how can I access the CD unit on Zeus to install
> software for Aphrodite?
You will find a (free) rpm to share the cd drive at the dungog.net site
see this link for instructions
http://www.dungog.net/sme/howto/shared-drives.php
After installing the shared drives rpm you would them map the shared cd drive to a drive letter on your Windows PC, and viola you have access to the server cd drive.
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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Interesting. Win 98 and NT4 both seem to think SME is NT 4.5. Obviously Microsoft didn't think Windows machines would be interacting with other O/Ss.
Well, I have my I-Bay set up and 2 gig of data copied over. That was interesting in itself. With a direct cable connection it took 45 minutes. I started with a hub but I was getting ludicrous time estimates and transfer rates such that it would have probably taken most of the day. Then I looked at my hub and discovered it's capable of only 10 Mbps. My cables can handle 100 Mbps. I might be somewhat tempted now to ditch the hub entirely and stick secondary NICs in. Looks like the struggles with the NIC and changeover from BNC were worthwhile. Having said that, I miss the simplicity of BNC.
Speaking of secondary NICs, does it matter if they're not all the same model? I have a Sitecom installed (which works under Tulip) a 3Com with a 3Com chipset and an unknown card with an rtl8029as chipset.
When I run the server from a browser (depending on the machine and my mood, that's either NT4 and Internet Explorer 2, Win 98 and IE 5.5 or Netscape 4.7), I can see everything I'd see on the admin console. But.. how would I get to root? I think it's something to do with ssh but I'm not sure. What's the best protocol for accessing root from the local network? I've setup my two machines with masks of FFFFFFFF so it's pretty secure.
The manual talks about webmail. I can see things in the menu relating to mail but is webmail enabled in the free version?
Having tried this server now, I'm getting quite interested in taking it further. Maybe as far as a 24.7 connection and my own I/P with my own mailing system etc.
Rhys
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> Then I looked at my hub and discovered it's capable of only 10 Mbps.
When you are out getting that external modem, treat youself to a small 100Mbps switch as well. 5 port jobbies are very cheap, note the use of the word "switch" rather than "hub". Hubs are pretty dumb, they send what ever comes in on one port out to all the others, a switch only sends to the correct destination port.
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Hi Rhys,
Try Putty to access the server via ssh, it can be downloaded from here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
As Dave said just get a 10/100 switched hub (again Genius sell them in the UK for about £35.00) this will allow you to use either 10 Mbps or 100 Mbps, you will need 10/100 or 100 Mbps NIC's in the PC's also.
Glad you finally got it working, welcome to the real networking world.
Hope this helps,
Del
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Hi Rhys,
Your hub is not the only one limiting you to 10 MB/s.
Your BNC COMBO nic's are also only running at 10 MB/s, so you'll have to change them as well to get the entire network to run at 100 MB/s.
As for the secondary nic, it doesn't matter if it's from a different vendor. It may even be an advantage, because it will then be easier to tell the two nic' apart.
The webmail needs to be enabled in one of the email-pages in the webadmin. (I don't remember the exact one at the moment)
Best regards
Per Smith
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Hi Rhys,
Enable webmail in server-manager under "Configuration" "Other email settings"
Cheers,
Del
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I don't think my combo NIC is restricing me to 10Mbps.
I put 2GB of data between the combo and the RJ45 only hub and transferred the lot in 50 minutes or therabouts. When I wanted to transfer via the hub, it was transferring very slowly and claiming it'd take 665 minutes to transfer. Obviously, I halted the transfer and pulled the hub out in order to get a faster data rate.
The hub I have is a "Plastic Palm", which seems to have been made in China. Watching data tranfer through it is only marginally different from water torture. Having said that, I suppose that when I have all the data transferred, it'll be OK for everyday usage (better be - it cost £30).
I have Putty. I haven't figured out how to use it yet though.
Speaking of external modems, I saw an elderly modem in a junkbox going for £2. Would that be a good one? As far as I know, seriel data transfer is very slow. Would it be as fast as my internal 57k modem?
Rhys
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> Speaking of external modems, I saw an elderly modem in a junkbox
> going for 2. Would that be a good one? As far as I know, seriel data
> transfer is very slow. Would it be as fast as my internal 57k modem?
Depends on what it is. You need to look for a modell number and maker then search the web for that particular modem to find its capabilties. It could be anything from an ancient 2400bps one to a more modern one that will be the same as your internal 57k.
Cheers
Dave.
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Hi Rhys
Usually, BNC based cards ONLY runs at 10 Mbit/s, because that's the maximum transfer rate for those networks. This is also the case for the combo cards. I have never seen a bnc combo card capable of running 100 Mbit/s.
Theoretically, you should be able to transfer 2GB of data in about 34 minutes, when you're running at 10 MB/s. However, this will probably only happen if you're transferring a single file of that size, because your disks in both ends will have to either find the next file, or create the next one.
Generally, you should be able to transfer 1 MB per second in a 10Mbit/s network. (Up to 10 times as much on a 100 Mbit network)
The 665 minutes calculated were probably because there were a lot of small files (in the beginning of the file transfer) causing the disks to move around for finding, creating and storing the files.
In Putty, you write the IP address of your server, and choose the desired protocol.
I would advise you to use ssh not telnet, because ssh uses encryption of the data.
You will need to enable remote access via ssh in the server-manager before you can use Putty.
External modems are also 56k these days, so you will see no difference there.
Best regards
Per Smith
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That's interesting, Per. I was actually transferring 3,000 files of about 1mb each. I thought my 3Com Combo card was 10/100 not just 10. In any case, if it was 10 then how come the speed increased so dramatically when I removed the hub (rated at 10)?
This is an interesting problem. I can't get an RJ45 only card for my PC as I don't believe anybody sells ISA cards any more. That'll have to wait until I upgrade my PC (which my server was supposed to be had it not been an inch too tall to fit under the table). The upgrade is planned to be a case of retaining the old drives but replacing the case, ram and other gubbins (It's all AT).
I ran across some interesting networking problems. These are more to do with Windows than anything else. Persius doesn't seem to realise when I've deleted an I-Bay from Zeus and keeps displaying it in Network Neighbourhood. Persius runs Win 98. I suspect that Win 98 is a bit defective in the networking department. I notice also that Norton AntiVirus seems to keep crashing on every other boot ever since I mapped Zeus as a network drive. I dislike Norton anyway but it's paid for for about the next week. After that, I'll be after a new AV product. Are there any suitable for use on Windows that'll also scan Linux drives?
How do I transfer data between I-Bays?
Rhys
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rhys wrote:
>
> That's interesting, Per. I was actually transferring 3,000
> files of about 1mb each. I thought my 3Com Combo card was
> 10/100 not just 10. In any case, if it was 10 then how come
> the speed increased so dramatically when I removed the hub
> (rated at 10)?
A hub (not a switched hub) shares its 10Mbps between all portd, so if 3 devices are using itbthey only get a third of the 10 Mbps = 3.33 Mbps, a switched hub on the other hand gives a full 10Mbps (or 100 Mbps) to each user, that's why they cost a bit more than a normal unswitched hub.
>
> This is an interesting problem. I can't get an RJ45 only card
> for my PC as I don't believe anybody sells ISA cards any
> more. That'll have to wait until I upgrade my PC (which my
> server was supposed to be had it not been an inch too tall to
> fit under the table). The upgrade is planned to be a case of
> retaining the old drives but replacing the case, ram and
> other gubbins (It's all AT).
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ISA cards are available from Netgear but they are still only 10 Mbps, if you get a switched autosensing 10/100 Mbps hub you will be able to use both 10 Mbps and 100 Mbps at the same time + you will get a full 10 or 100 Mbps at each port
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> I ran across some interesting networking problems. These are
> more to do with Windows than anything else. Persius doesn't
> seem to realise when I've deleted an I-Bay from Zeus and
> keeps displaying it in Network Neighbourhood. Persius runs
> Win 98. I suspect that Win 98 is a bit defective in the
> networking department. I notice also that Norton AntiVirus
> seems to keep crashing on every other boot ever since I
> mapped Zeus as a network drive. I dislike Norton anyway but
> it's paid for for about the next week. After that, I'll be
> after a new AV product. Are there any suitable for use on
> Windows that'll also scan Linux drives?
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1. Right click the iBay in network neighborhood and choose delete (I think, it's been ages since I used win98)
2. Try AVG for virus scanning in windows, it will also scan your network drives and it is free with free updates and it can be set to update automatically each day, it also checks incoming and outgoing email in Outlook, Outlook Express and Eudora for viruses. It can be downloaded from http://www.grisoft.com
Most people on this forum appear to use RAV to install on the SME Server, I downloaded ClamAV for my test server but have been unable to get it working yet.
If anyone can point me in the right direction I would be grateful!
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>
> How do I transfer data between I-Bays?
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Could you not map both of the iBays as network drives?
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Hope this helps,
Del
>
> Rhys
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Hmm. Interesting so really a 10mbps hub is really only a 5mbps hub is I have a server and a PC online?
It looks as though there's not much point in my getting a switch at all. When I've transferred the data (which I can do with a direct cable connection), the amounts to transfer won't (initially anyway) justify spending another £35 on a hub-replacement.
Interesting. The AVG site says AVG won't work with network drives.
The I-Bays. I have two and I tried to transfer between them but it was dreadfully slow. How can I do it, using putty (which now works well).
Rhys
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> The I-Bays. I have two and I tried to transfer between them but it was dreadfully slow. How can I do it, using putty (which now works well).
If you have ever used Norton Commander for DOS, you'll find an equivalent in Midnight Commander in SME.
Type "mc" at the command line, and go from there.
You'll find your ibays in /home/e-smith/files/ibays/. Simply cd into those directories, and do the copying/moving there.
Hope this helps
Per Smith
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rhys wrote:
>
> Hmm. Interesting so really a 10mbps hub is really only a
> 5mbps hub is I have a server and a PC online?
Take a look here: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/lan-switch2.htm
If you don't believe me!
>
> It looks as though there's not much point in my getting a
> switch at all. When I've transferred the data (which I can do
> with a direct cable connection), the amounts to transfer
> won't (initially anyway) justify spending another £35 on a
> hub-replacement.
Your choice
>
> Interesting. The AVG site says AVG won't work with network
> drives.
Just used it!
It won't automatically scan network drives, you have to manually start the scan or get the paid version, I use it everyday, no problems.
>
> The I-Bays. I have two and I tried to transfer between them
> but it was dreadfully slow. How can I do it, using putty
> (which now works well).
Already answered by Per
Cheers,
Del
>
> Rhys
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rhys wrote:
>
> Hmm. Interesting so really a 10mbps hub is really only a
> 5mbps hub is I have a server and a PC online?
Take a look here: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/lan-switch2.htm
If you don't believe me!
>
> It looks as though there's not much point in my getting a
> switch at all. When I've transferred the data (which I can do
> with a direct cable connection), the amounts to transfer
> won't (initially anyway) justify spending another £35 on a
> hub-replacement.
Your choice
>
> Interesting. The AVG site says AVG won't work with network
> drives.
Just used it!
It won't automatically scan network drives, you have to manually start the scan or get the paid version, I use it everyday, no problems.
>
> The I-Bays. I have two and I tried to transfer between them
> but it was dreadfully slow. How can I do it, using putty
> (which now works well).
Already answered by Per
Cheers,
Del
>
> Rhys
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Sorry about the double post, windows was a bit slow and I clicked "post" twice!
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rhys wrote:
> Persius doesn't seem to realise when I've deleted an I-Bay from Zeus and
> keeps displaying it in Network Neighbourhood. Persius runs Win 98.
In Win Explorer click on View/Refresh.
The browsemaster controller takes a certain time to update the various network resources available (from a minute to many minutes).
From your earlier posts it sounds like your NIC IP's might be set appropriately but perhaps other aspects of your NIC setup are not eg WINS etc etc. This was hinted at in earlier replies (I think it was Terry).
I did suggest an automatic way to do all this in an earlier post but you decided to do it all manually.
The way you have it set up your PC's may not be updating from the browsemaster.
> I suspect that Win 98 is a bit defective in the
> networking department.
I think the problem is how you set up your Windows networking, not Win98 itself ! See above.
I notice also that Norton AntiVirus
> seems to keep crashing on every other boot ever since I
> mapped Zeus as a network drive.
I use NAV all the time to scan PC's and the server ibays mapped to drive letters (automatically and manually), never had a problem. Again something must be odd with your setup, I would guess it is network related again and NAV is not finding the information it wants/needs.
> How do I transfer data between I-Bays?
This should also be possible using Windows Explore/Network Neighbourhood.
Under the server name zeus you should see the ibays listed, just copy the files from one ibay to the other. If you have the ibays set to allow Internet access then the files will be in the /ibayname/files folder.
Remember that the ibays need to have correct permissions (ie group membership) set up for the local PC users to be able to access files on those ibays.
Regards
Ray
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Sorry. I see the ibay file copying issue was resolved.
Ray
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Thanks for the info everybody.
I've decided to look for an external modem. I saw one in a junk box in town going for two pounds but unfortunately it was a 32k modem - and it needed a mains power supply. I'm running out of splitter plugs and getting tired of cables draped everywhere.
I saw a USB modem that has the Conexant chipset. I like the idea of USB modems as they need no external power supply. Would I be able to use this modem with SME. My new board has a USB socket (Persius doesn't have USB).
The modem I'm thinking of is http://www.linden-computech.com/pc/ef56k.htm
Rhys
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> I've decided to look for an external modem. I saw one in a junk box
> in town going for two pounds but unfortunately it was a 32k
> modem - and it needed a mains power supply.
Good move as you want to know if the modem has hung up or not. (*). Probably not hard to find a suitable wall wart for it but more than likely at 10 times the cost of your modem...
> I'm running out of splitter plugs and getting tired of cables draped
> everywhere.
I know the feeling about the amount of spagettie that falls out the back of a PC. Oh and splitter plugs are not really a good idea even at the low power levels of computer kit, better to get reasonably prices (ie not the cheap of the cheapest) 4 or 6 way socket strips.
> I saw a USB modem that has the Conexant chipset. I like the idea
> of USB modems as they need no external power supply.
From what I've seen USB and Linux is a bit of a nightmare. It really depends on someone having made a driver for your particular bit of kit, you might be lucky you might not. Hold out for a proper serial external modem if I where you.
(*) Hum, don't "privacy adapters" have an LED in them? Maybe an internal plugged through one of those would do all the signalling you need (on/off line).
Cheers
Dave.
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Thanks for the warning about seriel versus USB modems.
From my experiences, I find USB is a bit of a nightmare whatever O/S you're using. I was very happy using NT4 on my PC until I needed to copy data from a Compact Flash card. Then I had to use Windoze 98 becuse it had USB support so I gained USB but lost NTFS.
I did find a seriel modem going for £10 but the PSU didn't work so the guy went rooting around for one. Then he couldn't find the keys to his display cabinet!
Personally, regarding cables, I find my elderly AT PC has the mains cables sorted out beautifully - the monitor draws its power from the back of the PC PSU. My ATX box doesn't but that's OK as I don't use a monitor on it. The reason I'm using splitter plugs is because they work and because I don't intend to have more than two items plugged in simulteneously.
I'm not sure whether privacy adaptors have LEDs. I've never used one. I tend to pick the phone up and listen when I want to check whether it's in use. That means I have to get up off my derriere and walk to the other end of the room to check the phone.
I'm not sure which to get - a secondhand modem for £10 or a new one for £35. Any suggestions?
Rhys
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> I'm not sure whether privacy adaptors have LEDs.
They do, or at least some do from digging about on the net. Cost about a fiver.
Cheers
Dave.
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Dear Rhys
> Thanks for the warning about seriel versus USB modems.
> I'm not sure which to get - a secondhand modem for £10 or a
> new one for £35. Any suggestions?
I already said to you to get a serial port modem, as USB support is not so good with sme server .
The serial port to modem connection speed is generally not an issue, most serial ports will connect to your modem at 115K. The biggest bottleneck is the connection speed between the modem and the ISP via the public phone system. In Australia a 56K will generally only run at 42 to 47 K (and that's with a good connection in the city), I've never seen or heard of one go any faster than that.
I think things are pretty similar in most parts of the world (if not worse in some places).
The phone line connection speed thus being the biggest issue, it will be better if you get a new modem with a good chipset that can tolerate variable quality line connections, thus giving you the fastest possible connection speed. I think the Rockwell chipsets are highly regarded.
I have seen a good quality 33K modem always connect faster than a cheap 56K modem.
Regards
Ray
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Success. I now have a 56000 seriel/parallel modem. I haven't tested it yet - got it for a fiver with no power supply. I'm waiting for a power supply at the moment. It has a Rockwell chipset (from Mexico).
Rhys
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Just a quickie. What problems am I liable to encounter with Linux in relation to Windows-type problems. How does it cope with its file system - is it liable to have the famous lost fragments of Windows. is it possible to undelete a file? How does the filing system work?
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File recovery should be assumed to be impossible, so don't delete a file you still want. Fragmentation in general should be very low--I recall once upon a time I read a fairly thorough explanation of why in the Linux FAQ, but I don't remember it now. For info on the filesystem in general, google for ext2 or ext3.
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Now onto the tricky stuff. I have just downloaded a mud. It's all been written in C but doesn't include the compiled code - just the source code. Is there a C compiler provided with SME?
I'd love to run a mud on my system :)
I'd also like to configure my system as a private server/gateway but I'll leave that until I have checked whether my modem works.
Rhys
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No, there's no compiler included. Read the FAQ, this question is answered there (as is the related question of what you need to install).
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rhys wrote:
> Is there a C compiler provided with SME?
It's well past time you read the FAQ. And the user guide. Again.
Charlie
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Well, this is all very frustrating.
Windows will recognise Windows at the drop of a hat. Include Linux and it gets very strange.
Two Windows machines set solely to TCP/IP and one Linux machine - all set with static I/P addresses
Today I had Aphrodite, Persius and Zeus online. Persius (W98) could see Aphrodite but not Zeus. Aphrodite couldn't see either. To be even more strange, Persius could ping Zeus but Aphrodite couldn't ping either. Zeus could only ping Persius.
Later, Persius and Aphrodite could see each other but not Zeus.
Then I unplugged Aphrodite and Persius couldn't see Zeus, which is strange as I'd been using Zeus from Persius only an hour before. Then Aphrodite, when Aphrodite and Zeus were together, Aphrodite and Zeus could see each other.
Another day, they all see each other perfectly.
Windows, it seems, has no problems until Linux gets added to the mix.
All I can say is it's most bizarre and no settings were changed. I just rebooted all the computers between connection swappings.
Rhys
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rhys
As Charlie has advised read the manuals carefully particularly the section re setting up your server and your workstations, and as I have advised setup your sme server and workstations to handle DHCP automatically (I think you have the server enabled for DHCP), and then set each workstation to automatically get their information (IP's etc) from the sme server. It has been explained in earlier posts. Re read some of the post already here.
I don't know how you have set up your win NT PC but it's settings may be clashing with the sme server. Is it a Win NT Server or Win NT workstation ?
It seems you you do not have WINS setup correctly.
Setup the Win98 PC and the sme server and get them working correctly together first. When all OK then connect your Win NT PC, if things go wrong then the problem is with your Win NT not with Linux.
An easy way to get your workstations "back to automatic" is to delete all the networking components in Control Panel, then physically remove the NIC. Reboot your PC without NIC or networking support. Then shutdown, physically reinstal the NIC and then start up, windows will auto configure the NIC, but make sure you select appropriate automatic settings as per previous posts and the manual.
This should get you into auto mode and hopefully things will work right then. Allow DHCP to do the work for you.
If I do ipconfig /all here are my settings, (some figures change for security) try to get yours to be similar.
Note the setting for Primary WINS Server, where XXX.YYY.3.1 is the IP of my server and gateway (in the one sme box).
Use winipcfg to setup your win98 PC.
C:\WINNT>ipconfig /all
Windows 2000 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : station10
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : mydomain.com
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : mydomain.com
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-AA-BB-CC-DD-EE
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : XXX.YYY.3.72
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : XXX.YYY.3.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : XXX.YYY.3.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : XXX.YYY.3.1
Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : XXX.YYY.3.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, 28 April 2003 11:17:51 pm
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, 29 April 2003 11:17:51 pm
Regards
Ray Mitchell
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This is my latest IPConfig from Win98. I don't want to use DHCP because every time I try that one, Win98 screws up badly. Interestingly, since I started using my network Norton Antivirus keeps crashing every other boot. Having said that, the updates expired today so I'm looking for a better AV package. Norton's just so slow - brings the machine down to a crawl. Innoculate was faster but didn't quite understand what a virus was. By far the best AV product I've had was VET. I had a quick look at AVG but that seems to want to scan andything and everything (which is why Norton is so dreadfully slow). It's probably Norton that's slowing the network down to a crawl. As soon as I installed it, a year ago, there was a marked speed decrease.
C:\AWKWARD>ipconfig -all
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : Persius.Sageworld
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes
0 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
1 Ethernet adapter :
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.12
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Primary WINS Server . . . . : 192.168.40.10
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
C:\AWKWARD>
There... I have wins server enabled. 192.168.40.10 is the server. 192.168.40.12 is the PC.
Rhys
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Dear Rhys
> It's probably Norton that's slowing the
> network down to a crawl. As soon as I installed it, a year
> ago, there was a marked speed decrease.
If you have Auto Protect enabled in NAV it can have quite a disastrous effect on performance, in my opinion anything less than a 600Mhz PC should have auto protect turned off. Also the particular settings for what is to be scanned can also affect performance significantly.
> This is my latest IPConfig from Win98.
> 1 Ethernet adapter :
> Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
> Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-04-36-AB-00
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.40.12
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.40.10
> Primary WINS Server . . . . : 192.168.40.10
> Secondary WINS Server . . . :
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . :
>
> There... I have wins server enabled. 192.168.40.10 is the
> server. 192.168.40.12 is the PC.
Good, so your Win98 PC and sme server now work OK together (without the NT PC connected), I think you said that earlier, is that right ?
> I don't want to use DHCP because every time I try that one,
> Win98 screws up badly.
It works perfectly for me on a number of Win98 PC's as workstations and with a WIN XP Pro as a file server and a sme as a everything else server (gateway, email, DHCP, PDC etc) so the problem must be at your end.
As I suggested earlier, maybe your NT machine is the problem ??
What are the ipconfig settings for the Win NT machine, and is it a workstation or a server version of software ? Is it setup as a DHCP controller or Primary Domain Controller (PDC) or anythig else server oriented that may clash with the sme server.?
Regards
Ray
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This is how my NT Workstation is configured:
c:\>ipconfig -all
Windows NT IP Configuration
Host Name : aphrodite
DNS Servers : 192.168.40.10
Node Type : Broadcast
NetBios Scope ID:
IP Routing Enabled : Yes
WINS Proxy Enables : No
NetBIOS Resolution uses DNS : Yes
PPP adapter NdisWan6:
Description: NdisWan Adapter
Physical Address : 00-00-00-00-00-00
DHCP Enabled : No
IP Address: 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway :
PPP Adapter NdisWan5:
Description : NdisWan Adapter
Physical Address : 00-00-00-00-00-00
DHCP Enabled : No
IP Address: 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway :
BTW. I've just got an external modem. I'd like to test it on the NT machine but can't figure out how to get the blessed thing to work. It says on the top 56000 data fax modem and underneath fm56-OR.
It has a 25 pin and 9 pin connection hanging off the back via a cable. The 25 pin is female (as is the connector on my laptop) but the 9 pin although female will fit my laptop's 9 pin male connector.
I don't have a driver disk. I tracked down a power supply for it. The lights come on (which is good).
I can't get NT to recognise or use it. I tried configuring a dial-up adaptor but got completely lost on that one. If I'm lost with NT, it doesn't look good for SME. I need to understand things under a familiar O/S before I try something exotic.
Rhys
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> This is how my NT Workstation is configured:.........
Is that all, where is your Ethernet adapter details ?
Ray
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> BTW. I've just got an external modem.........
> I can't get NT to recognise or use it. I tried configuring a
> dial-up adaptor but got completely lost on that one. If I'm
> lost with NT, it doesn't look good for SME.
I would say that sme is a darn sight easier to set up than NT.
Just plug the modem into the sme server and run Configure this server in the server console, login as admin to bring this up. Set your sme up as a server and gateway-dialup, specify the serial port, enter the phone number, userid and password for your ISP account, specify the connection times you want (for a test set to short), save the configuration and then run the Internet connection test.
It's not very hard to do and if it is a standard modem it will be recognised OK by sme.
If it works good.
If not then the way you set it up is wrong or your modem is faulty.
Regards
Ray
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Windows 98 recognises it as a Rockwell External V90 K56 voice modem. It says it's a voice/fax/data modem on the case. The chipset can be seen on http://www.sageworld.freeserve.co.uk/modem.jpg.
I suspect that the problem might well be with the port settings on NT4. They seem to be overly complex.
I'll stick it onto Zeus to see what happens.
Rhys
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[root@zeus root]# ifconfig -a
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:02:A5:2B:5F
inet addr:192.168.40.10 Bcast:192.168.40.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:65280/175
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1139 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:1098 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:99
collisions:0
RX bytes:127311 (124.3 Kb) TX bytes:313213 (305.8 Kb)
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:0/0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0
RX bytes:34312 (33.5 Kb) TX bytes:34312 (33.5 Kb)
sl0 Link encap:Serial Line IP
inet addr:192.168.40.10 P-t-P:0.0.0.0 Mask:255.255.255.255
UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:93 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:5710 (5.5 Kb)
[root@zeus root]# [root@zeus root]# ifconfig -a
Review configuration
Networking Parameters
Server Mode servergateway-private
Local IP address / subnet mask 192.168.40.10/255.255.255.0
External IP address / subnet mask /255.255.255.0
Gateway 192.168.40.10
Additional local networks No additional networks defined
DHCP server enabled
I stuck it onto Zeus. I set up the dial-up account on it. maybe I did something wrong because I listened in on the phone line and heard no dialling. The modem has two ports on the back - one labelled line and the other phone. I plugged the telephone cable into the one labled phone. Should I have plugged it into line instead?
Beginning of DHCP address range 192.168.40.65
End of DHCP address range 192.168.40.250
Server names
DNS server 192.168.40.10
Web server www.sageworld
Proxy server proxy.sageworld:3128
FTP server ftp.sageworld
SMTP, POP, and IMAP mail servers mail.sageworld
Domain information
Primary domain sageworld
Virtual domains No virtual domains defined
Primary web site http://www.sageworld
Mitel Networks SME Server manager http://zeus/server-manager/
Mitel Networks SME Server user password panel http://zeus/user-password/
Email Addresses useraccount@sageworld
firstname.lastname@sageworld
firstname_lastname@sageworld
I found out something interesting. I must have accidentally changed the settings for the ethernet card because my second card works while the primary doesn't now. Wierd. How can I get both to work simulteneously?
Rhys
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> maybe I did something wrong because I listened in on the phone line
> and heard no dialling.
If you pick up a phone that is sharing the line with a modem the chances are the modem won't attempt to dial and just report NO DIAL TONE...
> The modem has two ports on the back - one labelled line and the
> other phone. I plugged the telephone cable into the one labled
> phone. Should I have plugged it into line instead?
When the modem goes off hook it may well disconnect the line from the telphone socket so picking up anything plugged into that socket doesn't mess up any on going data call.
Cheers
Dave.
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I think I wasn't perhaps as clear as I should have been.
There's a splitter on the telephone socket on the wall. One end goes to a telephone. The other goes to a long cable.
The long cable fed into my modem via a socket labelled "phone". There's another socket labelled "line". I'm not sure which to use.
Anyway, I chose "phone" and plugged that socket straight to the telephone socket on the wall. I set the server to test the internet connection. It seemed to hang so I went to pick up the phone to listen. Nothing happening and it was still hung, listening.
Any ideas? And how does one force SME to dial and to hang up?
Rhys
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Plug it into LINE, not PHONE. Phone is to piggy back a set off the modem to use when the modem is not in use.
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You need to put the lead into the LINE socket, the telephone socket is just that - to plug a telephone into.
Dean
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> The long cable fed into my modem via a socket labelled "phone".
> There's another socket labelled "line". I'm not sure which to use.
Use the one marked "line". The one marke d "phone" is for a telephone instrument. The one marked "line" is for the telephone line..
There is one other snag you might fall over but try the line socket and if it works you didn't fall over it. B-)
Cheers
Dave.
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CRASH!!!! Looks like I fell over the other snag.
What was it?
I plugged the wall socket to the Line socket. I applied power. I plugged the modem into the 9-pin seriel port. I applied the "internet test" from the admin menu via putty. (How do I get the admin menu via the browser - I only know how to get server-manager from the browser). The server produced a little BSOD to say somat akin to "oops, no connection".
Now I'm puzzled.
As I said before, the modem has a 25 pin port and a 25 pin plug that goes into the port. Out from the other end of the cable are a 9 pin plug and a 25 pin plug. Using the 25 pin plug on Persius, Windows 98 identified the modem as Rockwell External v90 k56 voice modem.
Aphrodite using the 9-pin port couldn't find the modem but then Aphrodite is running NT4 and I have quite a few problems with NT4 workstation - especially since I can't get any manuals for it locally.
Zeus only has 9-pin ports. I wonder whether I might have a 9 - 25 converter tucked away somewhere.
Anyway, the upshot is that I believe if Persius can identify the modem, it should be working. So why won't Zeus use it? Zeus by the way has a Shuttle AK 32 A board.
Rhys
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> CRASH!!!! Looks like I fell over the other snag.
>
> What was it?
If don't have the lead supplied with the modem to go between the wall socket and the modems line socket there can be wiring troubless.I don't think you hit that.
> I plugged the wall socket to the Line socket. I applied power. I
> plugged the modem into the 9-pin seriel port.
Plugging things in/out with power applied can do nasty things. It wouldn't be the first time a computer has be crashed by a discharge when something is plugged in.
Other than that check that SME is expecting to find a modem where you plugged it in.
Cheers
Dave.
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Rhys
> How do I get the admin menu via the browser
The server console (admin menu) is not accessible by a web browser by default, although there is a contrib rpm to allow command line access via web browser at
http://wiki.contribs.org/mod.php?mod=showinmain&page=http://wiki.contribs.org/contribs
which I assume will allow admin and root logon.
> the modem has a 25 pin port and a 25 pin
> plug that goes into the port. Out from the other end of the
> cable are a 9 pin plug and a 25 pin plug.
Most modems have this type of lead with multiple plugs to allow use of 9 or 25 pin sockets on your PC.
> Zeus only has 9-pin ports. I wonder whether I might have a 9
> - 25 converter tucked away somewhere.
Plug the 25 pin end of the cable into the modem and the 9 pin end into the server, no adapter needed.
> .....if Persius can identify the modem, it should be working.
Not necessarily so. Just because a modem is identified does not mean it is working.
You need to run a dial up test. I suggest you connect the modem to the COM2 port on your Win98 PC and then use Hyper Terminal program to run a test.
Dial any phone number that is real (or a known BBS service) and see if the modem rings it up. If it does then its a good chance the modem is working.
If this does not work then your modem is probably DUD (assuming you have done the test correctly).
Then try it again on the sme server after you make sure all the setup is correct in Configure the Server (see proviso below)
> I applied the "internet test" from the admin menu via putty and got an error message
Did you first run through the configuration screens to set up your modem and dial up account details properly as per my instructions ?
"Set your sme up as a server and gateway-dialup, specify the serial port, enter the phone number, userid and password for your ISP account, specify the connection times you want (for a test set to short), save the configuration and then run the Internet connection test."
Rhys, a lot of your questions are extremely basic and not really related to issues with sme instal or setup. If you don't even know that you plug the phone line into the Line socket on the modem, then I am surprised you can even use a Windows 98 PC. As far as playing around with Win NT you must be in way over your depth (as has been said before in other posts).
Can you tell us what you are really trying to achieve, why are you playing with different operating systems, why are your playing around with sme if you don't want to use it. I had my first sme server installed in one hour and up and running in another hour. You have been carrying on in these forums now for a couple of months or so, and it still does not sound like you have a functioning sme server/gateway that is connected to the Internet.
What is your problem ?? Why it is so difficult for you to accept the advice that is given in these forums, you always seem to want to do things your way rather than as we are advising. We are only trying to help you get a functioning sme server running but you are still playing around with NT at the same time and fiddling with manually setting networks connections etc.
By all means do whatever you want to do, but do that after we have told you how to get the sme server running and after you have followed our instructions. Follow the advice given here to get your system working, and then you can pull it apart, change settings, stuff it up generally as you wish, that's your choice then, but don't count on any more help from here after that. We are just wasting our time giving you advice when you don't really follow it.
This is not a how to use and set up Windows forum or a How to plug a modem in forum. Wake up and get this advice from your friends or computer shop or wherever.
Having said all the above, we contribute as we wish to, but it would be nice if you stayed on track and followed through with our suggestions and gave us proper feedback.
I asked you before if your Win98 PC is now working correctly when connected to the sme server, well is it ??
Regards
Ray
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Rhys wrote:
> I found out something interesting. I must have accidentally
> changed the settings for the ethernet card because my second
> card works while the primary doesn't now. Wierd. How can I
> get both to work simulteneously?
What are you talking about here, is this in the sme server zeus ?
Why do you have 2 NICs in there ? you only have a dial up connection and only need one NIC for the local network.
Ray
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