Topic: Samba 2.2 is missing in SME

[WXP]

Hey !

Why did you guys put samba 2.0 in SME ?!
I cant make my W2K PDC work !!

snif snif i'll have to wait for the next version probably...

[Timothée]

Yeah...I also don't understand this...it isn't hard at all to put samba 2.2.x in e-smith, so why isn't it standard in this new release???

[Dan Brown]

They've said it's because they didn't have time to test it sufficiently, but they intend to do it in the near future.

[Patrick Basile]

Hello everyone,

First things first - I love e-smith 4.1.2!  I've been using it now for over a month, and have just completed my second server setup...the product is great!  (I'm downloading V5 tonight, so I'll give my 'two cents' on the new product tomorrow.)

Now the whining.  I just started going through the posts on this forum and the general forum.  When I saw this I thought..."This can't be true - would they really release V5 WITHOUT Samba 2.2.x?!?!"  Not enough time to test it in the new release???  C'mon...I've been using 4.1.2 with Samba 2.2.1a for a month or so, and it works great.

I don't buy that excuse!  I'm very dissapointed to hear this...VERY.

Regards,
Patrick

[WXP]

Patrik

I can understand they didnt have time to test it.
You know, they are security problem they have to care about !!
Maybe samba 2.2 has some holes that noboby founds yet.. hackers could use this to crash your system.

But that's right i'm a bit disappointed... the locate command disappear.. php is an "old" version... in fact i'm thinking about keeping the 4.1.2 because it's stable and never had trouble with it.

I think the public release HAVE to be less attractive than the one which costs money...

Hope there will be a 5.1.1 with samba, php and and and...

That's strange.... they added command that I never used before but removed the one I use (

See ya

[Dan Brown]

OK, Patrick, you've been using 2.2.1a and it works great.  For that matter, so have I.  However, lots of people have been having trouble getting it to work properly as a PDC for Win2k, for no obvious reason that I can see.  To solve this takes time, and (they say) they didn't have that time.  If you've been using 2.2.1a anyway, just re-do the Samba upgrade after you install 5.0, and it should still work.

[Patrick Basile]

Dan Brown wrote:
>
> OK, Patrick, you've been using 2.2.1a and it works great.
> For that matter, so have I.

I figured you have also had success with 2.2.1a, since I used your fantastic instructions on setting it up - thanks a lot!

> However, lots of people have
> been having trouble getting it to work properly as a PDC for
> Win2k, for no obvious reason that I can see.

I didn't realize "lots" of people were still having issues using their e-smith boxes as PDC's for NT/Win2k domains (with 2.2.1a).  In fact, the reason I had to upgrade to 2.2.1a was to allow my Win2k client machines to authenticate to the e-smith PDC.

> To solve this
> takes time, and (they say) they didn't have that time.

I think probably (as has been the case when I ran into trouble with a few things, ie HylaFax) most people just need to follow the instructions in more detail - based on my experience there is NO problem with 2.2.1a itself once it's installed correctly.

> If
> you've been using 2.2.1a anyway, just re-do the Samba upgrade
> after you install 5.0, and it should still work.

I downloaded the SME V5 ISO last night, now I need to figure out how to do the Upgrade to V5 from 4.1.2, and then like you say I will re-do Samba (just wish I didn't have to...guess that's my lazy side coming out!)

Thanks for your thoughts and contributions to e-smith, Dan - and all the rest of you out there that have made e-smith a great product.

Any thoughts on the new aXonLinux distro?

Regards,
Patrick

[WXP]

>
> I think probably (as has been the case when I ran into
> trouble with a few things, ie HylaFax) most people just need
> to follow the instructions in more detail - based on my
> experience there is NO problem with 2.2.1a itself once it's
> installed correctly.
>

most people need to follow the instructions in more detail ?!

I tried to make a W2k PDC since the very beginning and i cant make it work.
Please believe me that it impossible for some reasons to make it work on my configuration.
I have to try it windows 2k is not the problem because I tried 6 installations of E-Smith 4.1.2 and Samba 2.2.1a and for the moment 1 installation of SME v5 and Samba 2.2.1a and it didnt work.....

And I can tell you I know linux so I'm doing any wrong things on the server side...


See you

[Patrick Basile]

Okay, time to calm the rattled nerves...

WXP wrote:
> I tried to make a W2k PDC since the very beginning and i cant
> make it work.
> Please believe me that it impossible for some reasons to make
> it work on my configuration.

I believe you, and I'm sorry you can't seem to get your e-smith PDC's to authenticate your Win2k clients using 2.2.1a.

> I have to try it windows 2k is not the problem because I
> tried 6 installations of E-Smith 4.1.2 and Samba 2.2.1a and
> for the moment 1 installation of SME v5 and Samba 2.2.1a and
> it didnt work.....

However - It would seem there MUST be something wrong with your setup: 7 out of 7 installs...100% failure (!) doesn't add up.  Are you absolutely sure you are setting up 2.2.1a correctly?

> And I can tell you I know linux so I'm doing any wrong things
> on the server side...

I'm a Linux newbie and was able to get Win2k client authentication running with 2.2.1a, so if I can get it working I'd think a Linux expert would have less trouble.  This is not meant to be a slam, just a surprising point to note.

Good luck!

Regards,
Patrick

[WXP]

>
> However - It would seem there MUST be something wrong with
> your setup: 7 out of 7 installs...100% failure (!) doesn't
> add up.  Are you absolutely sure you are setting up 2.2.1a
> correctly?

That's the trouble... I did exactly what Dan Brown wrote in his HowTo but it doesnt work..

>
> I'm a Linux newbie and was able to get Win2k client
> authentication running with 2.2.1a, so if I can get it
> working I'd think a Linux expert would have less trouble.
> This is not meant to be a slam, just a surprising point to
> note.
>

I'm not an expert at all.. Lets say I kow how to use it... I dont have any problem making changes to my system...

You have the newbies luck !!

See you

[Dan Brown]

Patrick, it may or may not be user error; I'm not sure, and I'm not able to duplicate the problems myself.  However, I've gotten a number of reports of problems, and as near as I can tell, the people have followed the directions exactly.  It's possible that there's a bug in Samba that only comes up under certain conditions, and it's also possible that there's a bug in my howto.  In any case, it's not as cut and dried as it seems to appear to you.

[Kevin]

I have setup Samba 2.21a on 2 servers so far using Dan's HOW-TO and haven't had any problems using it as a PDC for W2K.  The only thing I noticed is that on one client I upgraded W2K from SP1 to SP2 (to testing) it cannot find the roaming profile sometimes but usually a logoff and back on takes care of it. Sometimes it requires a reboot of the client.  The SP1 machines have never had this problem so far.

I probaly shouldn't use the roaming profiles, but it is a small office with all machines being virtually identical.

[Kelvin Lee]

Hi all,

Just to add my two bits....

Like some of you, I had a W2K PC that absolutely refuses to log on to the ESSG domain in spite of all patches / updates, etc. Yet, this same W2K PC works perfectly well in all regards and with a NT and a W2K Server. Having worked with networks for the better part of the last 12 years, I can assure you there was nothing unusual about the W2K setup.

Not convinced that ESSG is broken, I bit the bullet and reinstalled a fresh copy of W2K Pro, applied SP2, etc. and tried logging on again, and guess what ? It works ! Can't really give any explanations, just thought I'd share this snippet of info.

Anyway, hope this helps.

Kelvin

[Joseph Morrison]

Hello Patrick,

Patrick Basile wrote:
> First things first - I love e-smith 4.1.2!

Glad to hear it!

> Now the whining.  I just started going through the posts on
> this forum and the general forum.  When I saw this I
> thought..."This can't be true - would they really release V5
> WITHOUT Samba 2.2.x?!?!" Not enough time to test it in the
> new release???
> ...
> I don't buy that excuse!  I'm very dissapointed to hear
> this...VERY.

We do not make any excuses. If you look at our total offering - SME Server V5 and ServiceLink, you'll see that our development team has done an incredible amount of work in the last few months.

Our combination of a free open-source server together with subscription-based on-line services will enable us to generate the revenue required to be successful in business. This will provide us with the resources needed to continue developing the open-source server that you all enjoy free of charge.

We are not a charity. We prioritize our development tasks in order to succeed as a business. But if you are dissatisfied with our priorities, at least our commitment to open source gives you the freedom to code your favorite features yourself - and in most cases we will be delighted to maintain them.

Best regards,
- Joe Morrison, co-founder of e-smith

[WXP]

Hi Kelvin Lee

Thank you for your intervention !

I was pretty sure the problem was on the the client side since I tried to make about 7 times my server a PDC. And never formatted my computer with W2k.

I'm trying this tomorrow I think ... I have to know )