Topic: Microsoft Bought RAV Antivirus

[Jean]

Cyrus, you will have to excuse John, because from his writings, it appears his computing experience goes further back than yours.  Which means he's seen more of M$ predatory practices than you have, and as result has a strong negative opinion of M$.

I myself remember the day ibm dos was introduced.  That os was the result of someone else's labor of love which Bill licensed & pitched to ibm.  Bill showed his color even then, as there was a law suit for Bill's failure to pay the licensing fee, all the while he was laying the foundations of his evil empire with the income from ibm.  At least that's the urban legend amongst the old-timers.

One day when you have more experience and a better sense of history, you not only might understand why John feels as strongly as he does, but might find yourself agreeing with him.

[Ross]

> I am using several products that were bought by Micro$oft and still work just as good as they did before the buyout. Until the product actually suffers as a direct result of management from Mirco$oft, why complain?

There's no ambiguity about this:

Romania GeCAD To Cease Sales Of Its RAV AntiVirus


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

BUCHAREST -- Romania's GeCAD Software will cease sales of its flagship product RAV AntiVirus after it sold its antivirus technology to Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), officials from both companies said Wednesday.

GeCAD will continue to provide technical support for existing users until their contracts end, "probably in about two years," GeCAD's President Radu Georgescu said. After that time the product will cease to exist, he said.

[Jean]

> There's no ambiguity about this:

If ever there was a WMD, M$ is it.  Open source giveth, M$ taketh.

[Cyrus Bharda]

Jean,

I to started off on DOS 3.1 so I do realise how dominative and unscrupulous Mirco$oft is, I remember the Netscape debarkle amongst others (Java).

I just don't see the point in wasting time wingeing about it, and frankly I am sick of all those people who complain about M$ products, but still use them and make little effort in finding replacement software, not that you or anyone else who has posted in this thread might be doing.

IMHO if you don't like something, take action to change it. Talking about how bad a product or company will not find you alternatives, sitting down, research and testing is the way to go, and then when you do find an alternative, shout it to the world at the top of your lungs!

Anyway I do understand everyone's point of view and I am not trying to preach to anyone, I am not saying thinking like that is wrong, it's just not they way I think.

And that's that

Thread=dead for me, already wasted too much time filling up this thread on a topic that IMO does not belong on this forum, that is what alt.flames.microsoft is for .

Cyrus Bharda

[John Helms]

"I to started off on DOS 3.1 so I do realise how dominative and unscrupulous Mirco$oft is, I remember the Netscape debarkle amongst others (Java)"

Actually I started with DrDos and only learned later of MsDos (QDos).

"I just don't see the point in wasting time wingeing about it"

I assume that you really meant "whining" not "wingeing". I don't believe my posts have any touch of "whining" if thats what you meant nor do I in "wasting time" on this very important subject to me since I work in this field.
 
"and frankly I am sick of all those people who complain about M$ products, but still use them and make little effort in finding replacement software, not that you or anyone else who has posted in this thread might be doing."

I am also sick of that but fortunately I am not one who uses Microsofts software. On the other hand......ahem, I quote

" Why bother getting upset? I am using several products that were bought by Micro$oft and still work just as good as they did before the buyout."
"I am not endorsing Micro$oft in any way shape or form, I do not like some of their products either, but in most cases I have not yet found anything that can do the job in a similar manner so I just deal with the inherent flaws in some, the end justifies the means."

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

"IMHO if you don't like something, take action to change it. Talking about how bad a product or company will not find you alternatives, sitting down, research and testing is the way to go, and then when you do find an alternative, shout it to the world at the top of your lungs!"

Thats exactly way I was "wasting time" posting. (at least wasted on you) I try as often as possible trying to " find an alternative" and then I do try to "shout it to the world at the top! Unfortunately Bills rather abundant checkbook is out shouting you and me.

[Ben Morrisson]

Well what can you say to all that.
Cyrus it is actually people like John/Jean and the rest who do 'complain', as I do, about the momentum of the MS machine who do create and environment where there is at least some competition and alternatives.
The buyout of RAV DOES affect the opensource community in a big way, and the betrayal of the opensource community by Gecad is only topped by the irony that its the open source community who gave them enough backbone to become a 'player'.
MS recognition of this only demonstrates exactly why we should all keep 'whingeng' 'whining' or whatever.
Then who am I to talk - if I owned a small independant antiviru firm who got offered a golden handshake from MS then I probably would say yes and go sit on a beach somewhere int he sun but until  that day  . . .down with the bastards.

Oh  . . and does anyone know where I can source an independant linux antivirus product from?

[Michiel]

Please move this discussion to www.ihatemicrosoft.com and leave this forum to what it is intended for.
Thanks
Michiel