Topic: Rudeness

[Anonymous]

I was just wondering why people are so rude on these forums? I see that when someone posts something that has already been asked yonks ago, people reply with shuch stupid and rude messages that say to search the forums before posting. I think that if you feel like this when you read a message that has already been answered, why bother even replying for the sake of being rude?

[Michiel]

I was just wondering why pople are posting anonymously on these forums?

[Peter Side]

People don't mean to be rude,  they are very busy.  You have to understand that this forum is for Experience User.

It is true that you must search the Forum before posting anything.  If you have search for a few hours without anyresults then you should explain what you have searched for and then maybe someone will be able to help.

You can also print the Techncian manual and the administrator manual.  You will find plenty of useful information.  Be patient and search.  

There is always people willing to help.

Peter

[Anonymous]

Oh Yes, There are always people willing to help. It's just that you get told off for cross postings or asking a question that may have been answered before, if people are so busy, why reply to peoples posts with such stupid relies?

[Terry]

Anonymous wrote:
>
> Oh Yes, There are always people willing to help. It's just
> that you get told off for cross postings or asking a question
> that may have been answered before, if people are so busy,
> why reply to peoples posts with such stupid relies?


Ever heard the line "Give a person a fish, feed them once.  Teach a person to fish, feed them forever."?  Same applies here, may be easier to ask for the answer, but if you can learn to search you can answer many things yourself.

[NTBlade]

A simple search of the forums for "rude" with "all dates" selected turns up many results.  This being only one of them:
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=15883.msg61312#msg61312

Of course if you had bothered to search before posting your question you would already know this!  ;¬)

But seriously,  people here help each other for thier own and other's benefit.  Often when people suggest searching they will have already gone and found the answer and posted the solution in thier reply.  Sometimes it's just knowing what to search for.

Hope this helps!  ;¬)
NTB
Don't feed the trolls....

[Peter Side]

See Anonymous,

People care and are willing to help.  Keep posting and you will get answer.  It's not always easy but try to search before and post where you search and did not find anything.

Sometimes you will get a rud answer but the same person will do a search and if he's having some times he will answer later.

I think that this Forum is very helpfull but read the manuals and lots of questions will be answer.

Have a nice day Anonymous

P.S.  You should always leave your name it is more polite.

Peter Side

[Jens Kruuse]

This forum is quite polite in my experience. Try comparing with:
http://perl.plover.com/Questions4.html
or perhaps see how to ask questions of the qmail gurus:
http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/writings/12-steps-to-qmail-list-bliss.html
You might get one of these answers:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=106138057609681&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=98872766809046&w=2
In fact the entire thread is illuminating.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=98872762900001&r=2&w=2

Cheers,
Jens

[Nathan Fowler]

"Anonymous", I hope you don't consider this rude, but I think what is the most egregious offense of all is to:

1) Post without searching
2) Want a quick-fix spoon-feeding
3) Lack of desire to find the answer yourself.

I think every single member of this forum is more than willing to help someone though a problem, however, you would be astounded at how old it gets answering the same question over and over because someone lacks the initiative to find the answer using the tools readily available on this site.  Many users here strive to assist other users is resolving problems, and nothing is more frustrating than having ones time wasted hand-holding someone completely unwilling to use the tools here to apply a solution.

I think you have the rudeness transposed, you see, people who post without searching the forums for the answer are those who are being rude (not those who reply with “search the forum”) because they are wasting the time of other users who strive to answer their questions.

The person who says “Search the forum” isn't the rude one, its' the individual who posted the question that is so quickly answered by a simple search of the forum.

Thanks,
Nathan

[Andy MacDonald]

People get rude when certain things happen:
1. People don't read the manual.
2. People don't search the Internet.
3. People won't help themselves.
4. People want all the free help they can get without any effort on their part.

The mere facts that I have read the FAQ, read the manual, searched the forums, googled for answers gives me the right to tell you to do the same thing.
They are all much faster than typing all my questions out, and then waiting for someone to answer them.

I have answered many more questions than I've asked on this and many other forums.
That gives me the right to expect you to do something which encourages me to help you.
Strangely, a lot of other people feel the same way.

[Anonymous]

I just have a problem with some of Dan Brown's comments...

[Michiel]

> I just have a problem with some of Dan Brown's comments...

Ah, now it's you who gets very rude. If you start lambasting someone, you should at the very least state your own identity. Hiding behind anonymity while sniping at others is just not done.

[Mats Karlsson]

Maybee we should add one thing to Andy MacDonald's list:

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People get rude when certain things happen:
1. People don't read the manual.
2. People don't search the Internet.
3. People won't help themselves.
4. People want all the free help they can get without any effort on their part.
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And my list looks like this:
1. Hiding the identity of the person behind the posting
2. People don't read the manual.
3. People don't search the Internet.
4. People don't search the forums previous postings,
    witch in my perspective is an goldmine of information.
5. People won't help themselves.
6. People want all the free help they can get without any effort on their part.
7. People cross posting in several forums

Since I joined the e-smith community I have had some questions but seldom have I had the need to ask the forum questions, most has already been asked.
I had som problems with dyndns and the question was asked and answered in a quople of days in a proper manner.

Most people here are nice you should try some other groups where the abusing and use off offencive language is extensive and commonly used.

Whats most anoying :
Getting no answer to a question or
please read previous posting ?

Please read previous postings is at least an hint thats there is an answer to the question asked. Myself is at the present unemployed and has answered questions by looking them up in the forum and it takes time to look them up, and you asks that people should do it for you !?!

Take a library:
The librarian just points you in the direction of the book/info you are requesting but if you pay they can fetch the book/info and extract the details yoou have asked for.

This forum is an free service and please respect it for what it is!


But if you would like to pay I'm happy to help you but I will charge consultant prices for it.


Regards
Mats

[Andy MacDonald]

Oh, would that be the Dan Brown that has been nothing but helpful whenever I've asked a question?
The Dan Brown who has contributed much of his own time to write how to's so that my enjoyment of e-smith can be so much more?
Does this mean that if I do a search of Dan Brown's comments lately I can find out exactly who you are?
Whoo Hoo.
I'm off to the search button.....
Gregory, your cover is blown.

[Anonymous]

Author: Dan Brown (dan_AT_familybrown.org)
Date:   09-16-03 09:59

This seems to be posted at least daily: ALL ISSUES WITH THE 6.0 BETA SHOULD BE REPORTED TO SMEBUGS@MITEL.COM, AND ONLY THERE.

But install any available updates first.

Author: Dan Brown (dan_AT_familybrown.org)
Date:   09-15-03 21:38

Need to not cross-post

Author: Dan Brown (dan_AT_familybrown.org)
Date:   09-15-03 19:07

As has been posted innumerable times, all issues with the 6.0 beta should be reported ONLY to smebugs@mitel.com. However, you should probably install the latest updates first, if you haven't already.

Oh, and www.whatever will only work if you tell dyndns.org to turn on the wildcard.

Author: Dan Brown (dan_AT_familybrown.org)
Date:   09-14-03 22:31

Well, first, as has been posted here too many times to count, all issues with the 6.0 beta should be reported to smebugs@mitel.com.

Second, have you installed the latest updates? I understand that virtual domains are an issue addressed by them.

Third, no version of e-smith/SME has ever been designed to be a publically-accessible DNS server. If you had configured your 5.6 box to serve in that capacity, 6.0 would almost certainly break it, as it uses a different DNS server than 5.6 and previous did.

Fourth, I have no idea about the windows problem--again, a note to smebugs@mitel.com, with all the details you can provide, would be the best way to proceed. After all, this is a BETA, not intended as a production release. Installation on a production server is at your own risk.

Author: Dan Brown (dan_AT_familybrown.org)
Date:   09-13-03 23:30

Um, no, Marcel, this isn't something new in 6.0. Normal users have never had shell access by default in any version back to 3.x, which was the earliest I've used. Removing telnet is new with 6.0, but disabling shell access is old.


enough examples yet?