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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2005, 11:50:43 PM »
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Offline CharlieBrady

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Re: Kirux Kuadra SME Server and the Community
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2005, 08:40:04 PM »
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I am going to make a little history. A few months ago I send few messages to contribs.org offering my expertise to enhance the SME Server.


I don't know where you sent your offer, but it did not come to me. I'd be absolutely delighted to work with you to enhance the SME Server.

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At that time I only request some documentation, the Mitel site and the contribs.org only offer some vague information about how the system works.


If you'd asked any of your questions on the devinfo list (which was established nearly six years ago for exactly such questions) then I would have tried to help you with your understanding.

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In my humble opinion SME should be a business server with all the modern tools available in the Open Source community.


The main thing we need to achieve that is to have a sufficient number of developers working together towards that aim.

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We need to keep in my that the SME Server or any other Linux Server are in competition with the Windows Servers, and we need to provide quality and easy to handle tools to entice users to migrate to Linux. In the end everybody will benefit.


Indeed. Each of us working alone, however, has no chance of making any significant dent in Microsoft's dominant position. We don't need lots of little vendors with "their" SME Server distribution, each with their own advantages and flaws, we need one polished and constantly improving offering.

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First:
All the copyrights are intact. I did not remove any copyrights from no one.


The server manager screenshots contained in user-kuadra-features.pdf show "Copyright Kirux Technology Solutions, inc", where my Mitel SME server shows a Mitel Copyright assertion. I presume that that is what people are talking about.

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Second:
I provide all the source code with my modifications to kirux customers. As obligated by the GPL license.
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Under GPL Licence I am not obligated to publish all my work to the general public, only to the recipients of the work.


Although you correctly quote the *minimum* requirements of the GPL, it's worth noting that none of the software components which have allowed you to build your server appliance have been distributed under those conditions. The source code to all of them is freely published for all to use. Let's just list a tiny subset of those components:

- the linux kernel
- GNU libraries and utilities
- the RedHat installer anaconda
- the Apache web server
- perl
- samba
- postfix
- cyrus-imap
- clamav
- php
- imp, horde, turba
- mambo
- CM Simple
- Sugar CRM
- Mitel SME Server

What would you be offering your customers if all of these projects were hidden from public view?

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If you go to the kirux site it is a FREE Software section for Windows users. That shows my willingness to contribute to the community.


I don't see any contributions from you there. All I see are you redistributing the work of others.

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Ok guys what is next. How I can help. Greg Swallow: Thank you for your email.


The next step is for you to actively participate with the developers on the sourceforge mailing list.

You've raised some questions here as to what you feel are essential changes, e.g. replace qmail with postfix. Let's discuss the pros and cons of making that change.

Share your code with us, as we have shared our code with you. Allow others to improve your work, as you have improved on the work of others.

forumuser7

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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2005, 04:06:58 PM »
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I have just posted on the 'problems forum' over there asking whether his product is GPL software:

http://www.kirux.net/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&Itemid=57&func=view&id=3&catid=4

I cannot register to that forum...
Did they reply?

dhardy

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2005, 11:37:44 PM »
The forums were open to all over there when I posted.

I think gregswallow emailed kiruxadmin on the 16th May which probably prompted him (kiruxadmin) to look at the forums on his site and review the ease with which anonymous posts could be made - the post above mine was a 'yah boo hiss get it for free somewhere else' spoiler type of thing.

I would imagine that access to the forums there is only open to those that register direct with the admin of that site.

What were you going to say that you can't say here?

David.

forumuser7

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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2005, 03:27:19 PM »
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What were you going to say that you can't say here?
David.

I have nothing to say...
I'd like to see their response.

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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2005, 01:36:09 AM »
Hey guys, check this out..
Kirux has registered SME server as his own project on freshmeat.net. That is not the worst part, the worst part is the license he registered it under:  [License]   Other/Proprietary License

Haw can he take GPL product and register it under proprietary license?  Check it out..

http://freshmeat.net/projects/kuadrasmeserver/
SME user and community member since 2005.
Want to install Wordpress in iBay of SME Server?
See my step-by-step How-To wiki here:
http://wiki.contribs.org/Wordpress_Multisite

Offline steever

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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2005, 01:46:27 AM »
I think his logo says it all ... familiar?
Saving the world ... one server at a time.

arthurhanlon

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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2005, 11:12:51 AM »
I have been following this thread since it started and I think that we are beginning to lose sight of what is important for SME Server.

I think we would all agree that Kiruxadmin has made some good improvements to an already very stable and very robust product (I don't know what is in the pipeline for v7.0 as have not tried it yet) and that the next logical step would be for him to get actively involved in the further development of SME server as Charlie mentioned above.

I also agree with Charlie that the way forward is not to develop lots of tiny distros that all have their pros and cons but to combine these into a larger distro with almost none of those cons, something that will really have an impact on the IT market.

I think that one of the greatest benefits of Linux is the diversity of distros and configurations that are out there but I also think that this may ultimately be it's downfall or at least be a major factor in holding it back from the general public, as there are so many people forking off into their own version of Linux.

It all begs me to ask the question though, how many others have followed the same route as Kiruxadmin and improved on SME server that we do not have onboard?

These are just my opinions and are not in any way intended as a direct attack at anyone here. Long live SME  :-D

Arthur

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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2005, 04:05:13 PM »
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Haw can he take GPL product and register it under proprietary license?


Quite simply, he can't. The only person who can set license conditions for software is the copyright holder of the software.

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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2005, 06:29:25 PM »
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I think we would all agree that Kiruxadmin has made some good improvements to an already very stable and very robust product


Good post Arthur.  Stability is I think why we all love SME.  Uptime's of over a year are not uncommon.  The thing here is no one but Moses and his customers know how stable his "improvements" are.  We tried to get him to discuss changes with the developers, but I guess he is not interested.  That's fine, but I wouldn't spend money to be a beta tester of his product, and I doubt many people would.

kiruxadmin

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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2005, 09:13:21 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2005, 10:35:21 PM »
Moses, you may think combining the latest kernel with this and that provides stability, but I don't.  That's why Redhat doesn't market Fedora Core 4 for servers.  Around 360 out of 400MB of SME7 comes from Centos 4.1 (Redhat Enterprise Linux 4.1).  Redhat has far more people working on stability than you do (and will provide bug fixes until 2012 I believe) and the SME community is over 6000 users with who knows how many servers out there.  

Really, you didn't try very hard if you actually wanted to contribute to SME, you offered a couple ideas, but there are plenty of those.  If you think cyrus and postfix are better, then share your srpms for us to try.  You have taken everone else's code (and purported it to be yours), but wont share your own.  All I can see that you have offered is marketing hype about your product, and this website is not the place for that.

kiruxadmin

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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2005, 11:55:15 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2005, 11:58:05 PM »
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I am willing to contribute only to create a better product.


Moses,

I have a very simple request - share your GPL derived code. This is code which I, and many others, have written.

Share so we can see, incorporate, and build a better server for all. Nothing more is asked of you.

If your code is an improvement, it's quite likely to be included as development moves forward.

Thanks,

Gordon
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u27g8mdm

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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2005, 05:11:57 AM »
This topic is pretty interesting.
I think one of the flaws of the GPL license is that there is no way really to enforce it.