Topic: Yum problem

[electroman00]

Anybody having problems with yum.

Can't yum anything on two different servers here

Did a "yum clean all" and no go.

Seems like yum can't find anything.

Just wondering if others are having problem....

Thanks

[cactus]

Anybody having problems with yum.

Can't yum anything on two different servers here

Did a "yum clean all" and no go.

Seems like yum can't find anything.

Just wondering if others are having problem....

Thanks

What version of SME Server, installed the current version from CD or as an upgrade from the repositories?

[electroman00]

Sorry cactus

7.3 upgrade from yum

[electroman00]

It started as far as I can see a few days ago, not sure exactly when.

Everything checks out OK on these systems at first glance.

[raem]

electroman00

Can't yum anything on two different servers here
Did a "yum clean all" and no go.
Seems like yum can't find anything.
It started as far as I can see a few days ago, not sure exactly when.

"Can't yum anything", "no go", "seems like", "it started".
All these terms are subjective.

Please give an exact description of what commands you type, and what does or does not happen, ie what response or error message you receive, what the log files show, eg the messages log file for starters, and any other pertinent information or log file content.

[byte]

And for everyones information:

Don't report problems here - Please report bugs and potential bugs in the bug tracker. Thanks.

[electroman00]

yum clean all

yum update

Code: [Select]

yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=smecontribs install smeserver-joomla


==============================================================
WARNING: Additional commands may be required after running yum
==============================================================
Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
Loading "smeserver" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
smecontribs               100% |=========================|  951 B    00:00
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
Reading repository metadata in from local files
Parsing package install arguments
No Match for argument: smeserver-joomla
Nothing to do
================================================================
No new rpms were installed. No additional commands are required.
================================================================
yum whatprovides --enablerepo=* smeserver-joomla

Same thing both systems, funny thing is one has joomla loaded and the newer system doesn't.

Seems like it's not finding anything in the repo's  but does scan them like it did find the repo..

Both systems are setup different one has all kinds of stuff on it and the other is almost bare bones.

First sys is up for about a year the other about 1 month.

Well the yum log shows this hum.....

2008-02-22 16:34:05.928148500 Error: No Groups on which to run command
2008-02-22 16:34:06.009947500 yum grouplist available status 256

[raem]

electroman00

Please take more care to check your information/assumptions.
That package is not in smecontribs repo !
See for yourself.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/smeserver/releases/7/smecontribs/i386/RPMS/

See this
http://wiki.contribs.org/Joomla

[electroman00]

Thanks Ray

Took a little investigating but I see the problem now.

Go to these wiki history pages

http://wiki.contribs.org/index.php?title=Joomla&oldid=3604

Note the ver & install instructions.

Then here
http://wiki.contribs.org/index.php?title=Joomla&oldid=7932

Then here

http://wiki.contribs.org/index.php?title=Joomla&oldid=8003

Kinda indicates the wiki isn't the best method for tracking versions of software.

This is a problem I and I'm sure others see as a major draw back to linux distro's.

It's effect can only be to turn folks away from linux.

It's a pita and a waste of time to find the right pkg.

I just wasted a good part of a day debugging this little deal.

There needs to be a singular DB that controls pkg's for every distro
where by the forum, bugtracker, website, wiki all share that pkg info DB.

I would then venture to guess that the forum posts would be reduced by 60%.

Yum is real nice but doesn't solve this sort of problem.

Finding the latest of the greatest for a particular disto is a pitfa and total waste of time
and the problem needs to be address for all distros..... if linux is to thrive.

One DB..... here it is the latest of the greatest for your version distro.

Such a dream....hey

If this already exists someone please enlighten me.

I just haven't found that dream.

The bug tracker....well lets just say it returns to much crap at least for me.

Apparently I just haven't figured out how to search that thing.

Likewise searching a forum....90% crap.

Forums, bug tracker's, wiki are by no means a solution to the problem.

Why.....very simply....

They don't share a common DB.

Put all three in one software pkg and you might have a solution.

I'm so f'ing tired of searching and reading crap.

I have better things to do with my time....like

GETTING IT DONE!!!

So what do most find to be a solution with this problematic linux crap.....MS Windows.

Another sharp stick in the other eye.....Oh what a solution that is.

Don't get  me wrong here Ray I'm not condemning SME..... it's all linux distro's that I've seen.

Please take more care to check your information/assumptions.

Yea...I hear ya...boy do I hear ya.

It's a shame.... when your in a universe where by the only things you can assume to be factual

are

DEATH & TAXES.

Funny world we live in.....yahoo.

[raem]

electroman00

I just wasted a good part of a day debugging this little deal.

Perhaps your detective skills are not that great.
It only took me two minutes to determine that the joomla contrib was not in smecontribs repo.

It appears to be a case of the development (newer version rpm) and the documentation (older version of rpm) not being in sync, which is quite a common occurrence unfortunately.
I'd add to that, it's probably not a good idea to write documentation that does have specific rpm versions mentioned (where possible) as the documentation is not generic then, and will need to constantly be updated as new rpm releases occur.

Having said that, yum & repositories is obviously an answer to this, with generic documentation.


Unfortunately I now see the Joomla Contrib Howto has been altered to only mention the smecontribs repo, and that rpm is still NOT in that repo !!!


As for all your other complaints/rants, then volunteer your services at staff@contribs.org and tell them what you want to do & change and get permission to do so.
Some things are a little more difficult to change/implement though,

Previously contribs.org used a "all in one web site solution" which was prone to hacker attack, so that was changed to what we have now (for many reasons I'm sure). Extra functionality ie searching across applications, needs some clever code to be developed, if at all possible.

Is it that hard for you to search the forums, the wiki and the bugtracker.
There was a recent post with a google search link to search all of contribs.org, perhaps you want to play with that.
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012028323133675377038:fmqik91uq-a

[byte]

I'm so f'ing tired of searching and reading crap.

If I/others took that attitude then there would be no contribs.org, think of it as a learning curve as we say in the UK "Every day is a school day"

I have better things to do with my time....like

I could say that about having always to point people to bug tracker but I still do it...why ? because I want SME Server to get better and even more reliable than ever before.

[byte]

Moving this topic to the SME 7.x contribs forum, it is more appropriate there. Thanks!

[raem]

electroman00

While I see you made some changes the Howto was still grossly incorrect.
It's always a good idea to follow any Howto you write step by step, to ensure it works as published.

I have revised the Contrib Howto to something that will work now, keeping in mind that the smeserver-joomla contrib IS NOT (yet) in the smecontribs repo, and heeding the warnings of developers NOT to use the yum remove command.
See
http://wiki.contribs.org/Joomla

[electroman00]

Ray

I made a change and then I changed it back to what it was.

So you will have to berate that person not me.

It looked like Dietmar was intending to put the contrib into smecontribs.

I sent him a email expressing the problem.

As for your wiki correction, it was my same exact thought however I felt it was not appropriate
for I was not the contributer. At first I only corrected enough to make it work and later
retracted that as you can see in the history, in lew of contacting the contributor
and giving him the opportunity to fix it as he feels it should be.

Perhaps your detective skills are not that great.

I know some people that respond that way....thinking it's appropriate.

Personal attacks no matter how slight are simply not appropriate in a forum.

Extra functionality ie searching across applications, needs some clever code to be developed, if at all possible.

Certainly it's possible.

An experience coder could whip it up in short order.

The functionality is key to the survival of this project.

If I/others took that attitude then there would be no contribs.org

Are you absolutely sure that that is not already happening.

If your not sure then there will be no contribs.org your words.

then there would be no contribs.org

Are you sure it has no bearing on the current elections...because it could
be that it is a major factor.
Notice how few have stepped up to the plate.

Is it possible that at some point some might have ask themselves a simple
question and they answered it.

"I'm spending to much time searching for solutions and getting nowhere, I need to find
a better solution."

If the answer is yes, that may be related to the elections response.

Also consider...

which is quite a common occurrence unfortunately.

Not my words, but my exact sediment.

Again, is it a factor in the elections and are you absolutely sure it's not.

"Every day is a school day"

For you that may be the case, however others may have customers and bosses
that present the age old daily probing question....

Did you get it done?

Simply meeting the requirements of a school day will not elevate SME to the #1 Server Project.

IMHO SME has the potential to be the #1 Server because of it's underlying concept and design.

Template Configuration System

My only question is...

Why isn't it....

From my point of view SME is the Ferrari with Volkswagen wheels on it....

Lets bring it in the pits and change the wheels so we can win this race.

or

We can sit here and berate each other.

The clock is a ticking and the race is almost over.

It's going to take a lot more then SME8.

SME8 is going to need a top notch support system for this project to survive.

A system that prohibits....

which is quite a common occurrence unfortunately.

Have to go, lost power here and the system is running on the UPS.

That reminds me, had a problem with the nut driver for this ups and
I'm trying to fix it amongst all the other stuff.

Someone patched the drive and it was commited to the trunk  but it
hasn't arrived on the SME yet.

I hope the internet is still up and this posts.

Later

[raem]

electroman00

You could have fixed the documentation as easily as I did, but you decided to be lazy and asked/expected someone else to do it.

[slords]

I can't believe all the complainers lately.  Who do you think is running the show?  Where do you think all the help/support is coming from?

SME and contribs.org is really being run/driven by a very small handful of people (10-20 max) who are committed and put forth the effort to make the system work.  They are all volunteers and don't make any money from this.  It isn't going to matter who is elected to what position those who are dedicated will continue to work.  The election may make things better but it won't destroy the distro.

There is nothing stopping anyone from becoming part of this inner circle you just have to dig in and help.  In the past few months we have had a number of people step up and start doing the best they can and we have had some great progress made.  It might not be apparent to all but those that are close to what is going on see the progress being made.

We also seem to have 10,000+ individuals/servers that are benefiting from all these individuals hard work.  I know there are some that are helping in the ways that they can.  There are many have contributed either time or money.  But it is a fact that the number of people contributing to the distro is nowhere close to that 10,000 number.  If each server owner even contributed $10 that would give us $100,000 to use to market/support/improve the distro.  Last I heard we weren't even close to 1/10 that amount.

Complaining doesn't help anyone and doesn't solve anyone's problems.  The community needs to step up and support itself.  The people currently doing the work have plenty to do already.  If we do more then we are now then other areas will suffer.

Also there is plenty of stuff in the pipeline that could be release if there were reasons/ability to support it.  The entire build structure is in place for both 7.x and 8.x.  We almost have all the contribs in place for building on the same structure (just lacking some participation of a few contribs authors).  We also have everything in place to build/release i686, x86_64 versions of the distros, with a possibility of sparc, ppc, and possibly other archs not to far away.

I hope those that do contribute, continue to do so (and feel proud of the efforts they have made so far).  The rest of you please step up and start supporting your distro so that we can make it the very best it can be.

-Shad

[electroman00]

electroman00

You could have fixed the documentation as easily as I did, but you decided to be lazy and asked/expected someone else to do it.

Personal attacks no matter how slight are simply not appropriate in a forum.

edited: didn't see the post before this one so added the quote..

[raem]

electroman00

It's not a personal attack, it's a statement of fact.

[electroman00]

I can't believe all the complainers lately.  Who do you think is running the show?  Where do you think all the help/support is coming from?

Shad I hope you can understand I'm not complaining, I am however very concerned about SME survival.
I'm not sure I know how I could have stated my point to make it very clear as to my very concern.

SME and contribs.org is really being run/driven by a very small handful of people (10-20 max) who are committed and put forth the effort to make the system work.  They are all volunteers and don't make any money from this.  It isn't going to matter who is elected to what position those who are dedicated will continue to work.  The election may make things better but it won't destroy the distro.

There is nothing stopping anyone from becoming part of this inner circle you just have to dig in and help.  In the past few months we have had a number of people step up and start doing the best they can and we have had some great progress made.  It might not be apparent to all but those that are close to what is going on see the progress being made.

We also seem to have 10,000+ individuals/servers that are benefiting from all these individuals hard work.  I know there are some that are helping in the ways that they can.  There are many have contributed either time or money.  But it is a fact that the number of people contributing to the distro is nowhere close to that 10,000 number.  If each server owner even contributed $10 that would give us $100,000 to use to market/support/improve the distro.  Last I heard we weren't even close to 1/10 that amount.

Complaining doesn't help anyone and doesn't solve anyone's problems.  The community needs to step up and support itself.  The people currently doing the work have plenty to do already.  If we do more then we are now then other areas will suffer.

Also there is plenty of stuff in the pipeline that could be release if there were reasons/ability to support it.  The entire build structure is in place for both 7.x and 8.x.  We almost have all the contribs in place for building on the same structure (just lacking some participation of a few contribs authors).  We also have everything in place to build/release i686, x86_64 versions of the distros, with a possibility of sparc, ppc, and possibly other archs not to far away.

I hope those that do contribute, continue to do so (and feel proud of the efforts they have made so far).  The rest of you please step up and start supporting your distro so that we can make it the very best it can be.-Shad

Well thats something I would say needs to be prominently displayed with a little editing. It's the kind of information users need, to be able to make appropriate decisions.

Last I heard we weren't even close to 1/10 that amount.
It might not be apparent to all but those that are close to what is going on see the progress being made.

If your looking for more donations then you have to prominently display the progress for all to see.
I copied/pasted those two statements together because the are without a doubt welded together.

I certainly hope you weren't expecting users to send money to a black hole.

If we do more then we are now then other areas will suffer.

Not sure what your referring to, I would say that at this critical juncture customer relations is not something
to include on the suffer list.
You may not owe anything to users however those that donate by that very gesture become customers.

I might add that prior to your post I was a user, now I'm a customer and I currently have no problem in continuing
that relationship.

I know no other way to make my point more prominent as to priorities.

Like in business there is a balance between customer relations and product development.

[electroman00]

electroman00

It's not a personal attack, it's a statement of fact.

Dare say you would loose it a court of law, no supportive fact.

Slandering someone via

but you decided to be lazy and asked/expected someone else to do it.

I do think I made myself very clear as to the procedure I followed and the relational for it.

I suggest you read the post carefully.

Saying someone is lazy without supportive factual evidence is slander and Personal Attacks no matter how slight are simply not appropriate in a forum.

You had the opportunity to do the right thing and you chose not to.

Slandering someone is not right...period.

I have not Personally slandered or attacked you or anyone else for that matter in anyway shape or form.

I see no further reason to carry on with you....three strikes your out...sorry.

You have a good day.

I suggest you be very careful from this point on sir.

[raem]

electroman00

The evidence you require is already published for all to see.
You did edit the Joomla Howto 5 times, and despite changes you made you left it with incorrect commands.
Yeah sure someone else put an incorrect yum install command & repo there at the start, but you did nothing about it and asked someone else to fix it.

I believe that would qualify as being lazy when you consider you had 5 opportunities to correct it while doing other edits (all of which you deleted too).

[electroman00]

Mr. Ray Mitchell

Legal counsel here has suggested the following.

To help you better understand your desire to pursue your defamatory and slanderous attack
the following definitions have been listed.

 Defame "to harm the reputation of by libel or slander"
 Slanderous "a false and defamatory oral statement about a person"

 Lazy "disinclined to activity or exertion"

I electroman asserts that I actively made changes to the wiki.contribs.org (Joomla).

electroman asserts that Mr. Ray Mitchell's agreement or disagreement as to those changes
made to wiki.contribs.org is of no consequence to Mitchell's assertion of "Lazy".

I electroman further assert that Mitchell's assertion of "Lazy" continues to have the
only intent and purpose of deformation and slander to electroman.

electroman respecfully requests Mr. Ray Mitchell to cease and desist with his
defamatory and slanderous attack and to retract any and all inclusions in reguards to
his defamatory and slanderous attack.

HTH

electroman00

The evidence you require is already published for all to see.
You did edit the Joomla Howto 5 times, and despite changes you made you left it with incorrect commands.
Yeah sure someone else put an incorrect yum install command & repo there at the start, but you did nothing about it and asked someone else to fix it.

I believe that would qualify as being lazy when you consider you had 5 opportunities to correct it while doing other edits (all of which you deleted too).

[berdie]

Ray and Shad,

I agree to your professional quotes. Thanks to your both and for your support in this case.
I never thought that we have to waste our times with such useless discussions...

We all work very hard to make SME better and better. I'm only a contributer for some web apps and not a real SME insider, but I spend much time to it. I have really much respect for your effort to this distro, Shad, Ray, Gordon and all others.

Lets come to an end of this thread.

Dietmar

[cactus]

Lets come to an end of this thread.

I second this and suggest closing the thread in case the discussion does not get back on topic and continues to be a dispute between forum users...

[byte]

Agree, locking topic.