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Yum problem
« on: February 24, 2008, 05:52:11 PM »
Anybody having problems with yum.

Can't yum anything on two different servers here

Did a "yum clean all" and no go.

Seems like yum can't find anything.

Just wondering if others are having problem....

Thanks

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2008, 06:02:45 PM »
Anybody having problems with yum.

Can't yum anything on two different servers here

Did a "yum clean all" and no go.

Seems like yum can't find anything.

Just wondering if others are having problem....

Thanks
What version of SME Server, installed the current version from CD or as an upgrade from the repositories?
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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2008, 06:15:23 PM »
Sorry cactus

7.3 upgrade from yum

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2008, 06:16:56 PM »
It started as far as I can see a few days ago, not sure exactly when.

Everything checks out OK on these systems at first glance.

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2008, 09:17:38 PM »
electroman00

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Can't yum anything on two different servers here
Did a "yum clean all" and no go.
Seems like yum can't find anything.
It started as far as I can see a few days ago, not sure exactly when.

"Can't yum anything", "no go", "seems like", "it started".
All these terms are subjective.

Please give an exact description of what commands you type, and what does or does not happen, ie what response or error message you receive, what the log files show, eg the messages log file for starters, and any other pertinent information or log file content.

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 10:42:00 PM »
And for everyones information:

Don't report problems here - Please report bugs and potential bugs in the bug tracker. Thanks.
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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2008, 01:11:59 AM »


yum clean all

yum update

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yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=smecontribs install smeserver-joomla


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WARNING: Additional commands may be required after running yum
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Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
Loading "smeserver" plugin
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
smecontribs               100% |=========================|  951 B    00:00
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
Reading repository metadata in from local files
Parsing package install arguments
No Match for argument: smeserver-joomla
Nothing to do
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No new rpms were installed. No additional commands are required.
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yum whatprovides --enablerepo=* smeserver-joomla

Same thing both systems, funny thing is one has joomla loaded and the newer system doesn't.

Seems like it's not finding anything in the repo's  but does scan them like it did find the repo..

Both systems are setup different one has all kinds of stuff on it and the other is almost bare bones.

First sys is up for about a year the other about 1 month.

Well the yum log shows this hum.....

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2008-02-22 16:34:05.928148500 Error: No Groups on which to run command
2008-02-22 16:34:06.009947500 yum grouplist available status 256


Offline raem

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2008, 01:34:24 AM »
electroman00

Please take more care to check your information/assumptions.
That package is not in smecontribs repo !
See for yourself.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/smeserver/releases/7/smecontribs/i386/RPMS/

See this
http://wiki.contribs.org/Joomla
« Last Edit: February 27, 2008, 12:04:43 AM by RayMitchell »
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Offline electroman00

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2008, 08:30:48 PM »
Thanks Ray

Took a little investigating but I see the problem now.

Go to these wiki history pages

http://wiki.contribs.org/index.php?title=Joomla&oldid=3604

Note the ver & install instructions.

Then here
http://wiki.contribs.org/index.php?title=Joomla&oldid=7932

Then here

http://wiki.contribs.org/index.php?title=Joomla&oldid=8003

Kinda indicates the wiki isn't the best method for tracking versions of software.

This is a problem I and I'm sure others see as a major draw back to linux distro's.

It's effect can only be to turn folks away from linux.

It's a pita and a waste of time to find the right pkg.

I just wasted a good part of a day debugging this little deal.

There needs to be a singular DB that controls pkg's for every distro
where by the forum, bugtracker, website, wiki all share that pkg info DB.

I would then venture to guess that the forum posts would be reduced by 60%.

Yum is real nice but doesn't solve this sort of problem.

Finding the latest of the greatest for a particular disto is a pitfa and total waste of time
and the problem needs to be address for all distros..... if linux is to thrive.

One DB..... here it is the latest of the greatest for your version distro.

Such a dream....hey

If this already exists someone please enlighten me.

I just haven't found that dream.

The bug tracker....well lets just say it returns to much crap at least for me.

Apparently I just haven't figured out how to search that thing.

Likewise searching a forum....90% crap.

Forums, bug tracker's, wiki are by no means a solution to the problem.

Why.....very simply....

They don't share a common DB.

Put all three in one software pkg and you might have a solution.

I'm so f'ing tired of searching and reading crap.

I have better things to do with my time....like

GETTING IT DONE!!!

So what do most find to be a solution with this problematic linux crap.....MS Windows.

Another sharp stick in the other eye.....Oh what a solution that is.

Don't get  me wrong here Ray I'm not condemning SME..... it's all linux distro's that I've seen.

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Please take more care to check your information/assumptions.

Yea...I hear ya...boy do I hear ya.

It's a shame.... when your in a universe where by the only things you can assume to be factual

are

DEATH & TAXES.

Funny world we live in.....yahoo.

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 11:39:41 PM »
electroman00

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I just wasted a good part of a day debugging this little deal.

Perhaps your detective skills are not that great.
It only took me two minutes to determine that the joomla contrib was not in smecontribs repo.

It appears to be a case of the development (newer version rpm) and the documentation (older version of rpm) not being in sync, which is quite a common occurrence unfortunately.
I'd add to that, it's probably not a good idea to write documentation that does have specific rpm versions mentioned (where possible) as the documentation is not generic then, and will need to constantly be updated as new rpm releases occur.

Having said that, yum & repositories is obviously an answer to this, with generic documentation.


Unfortunately I now see the Joomla Contrib Howto has been altered to only mention the smecontribs repo, and that rpm is still NOT in that repo !!!


As for all your other complaints/rants, then volunteer your services at staff@contribs.org and tell them what you want to do & change and get permission to do so.
Some things are a little more difficult to change/implement though,

Previously contribs.org used a "all in one web site solution" which was prone to hacker attack, so that was changed to what we have now (for many reasons I'm sure). Extra functionality ie searching across applications, needs some clever code to be developed, if at all possible.

Is it that hard for you to search the forums, the wiki and the bugtracker.
There was a recent post with a google search link to search all of contribs.org, perhaps you want to play with that.
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012028323133675377038:fmqik91uq-a

« Last Edit: February 26, 2008, 08:02:19 PM by RayMitchell »
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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 11:42:25 PM »
I'm so f'ing tired of searching and reading crap.

If I/others took that attitude then there would be no contribs.org, think of it as a learning curve as we say in the UK "Every day is a school day"

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I have better things to do with my time....like

I could say that about having always to point people to bug tracker but I still do it...why ? because I want SME Server to get better and even more reliable than ever before.
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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2008, 11:48:28 PM »
Moving this topic to the SME 7.x contribs forum, it is more appropriate there. Thanks!
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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008, 12:07:18 AM »
electroman00

While I see you made some changes the Howto was still grossly incorrect.
It's always a good idea to follow any Howto you write step by step, to ensure it works as published.

I have revised the Contrib Howto to something that will work now, keeping in mind that the smeserver-joomla contrib IS NOT (yet) in the smecontribs repo, and heeding the warnings of developers NOT to use the yum remove command.
See
http://wiki.contribs.org/Joomla
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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 07:38:50 PM »
Ray

I made a change and then I changed it back to what it was.

So you will have to berate that person not me.

It looked like Dietmar was intending to put the contrib into smecontribs.

I sent him a email expressing the problem.

As for your wiki correction, it was my same exact thought however I felt it was not appropriate
for I was not the contributer. At first I only corrected enough to make it work and later
retracted that as you can see in the history, in lew of contacting the contributor
and giving him the opportunity to fix it as he feels it should be.

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Perhaps your detective skills are not that great.

I know some people that respond that way....thinking it's appropriate.

Personal attacks no matter how slight are simply not appropriate in a forum.

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Extra functionality ie searching across applications, needs some clever code to be developed, if at all possible.

Certainly it's possible.

An experience coder could whip it up in short order.

The functionality is key to the survival of this project.

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If I/others took that attitude then there would be no contribs.org

Are you absolutely sure that that is not already happening.

If your not sure then there will be no contribs.org your words.

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then there would be no contribs.org

Are you sure it has no bearing on the current elections...because it could
be that it is a major factor.
Notice how few have stepped up to the plate.

Is it possible that at some point some might have ask themselves a simple
question and they answered it.

"I'm spending to much time searching for solutions and getting nowhere, I need to find
a better solution."

If the answer is yes, that may be related to the elections response.

Also consider...

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which is quite a common occurrence unfortunately.

Not my words, but my exact sediment.

Again, is it a factor in the elections and are you absolutely sure it's not.

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"Every day is a school day"

For you that may be the case, however others may have customers and bosses
that present the age old daily probing question....

Did you get it done?

Simply meeting the requirements of a school day will not elevate SME to the #1 Server Project.

IMHO SME has the potential to be the #1 Server because of it's underlying concept and design.

Template Configuration System

My only question is...

Why isn't it....

From my point of view SME is the Ferrari with Volkswagen wheels on it....

Lets bring it in the pits and change the wheels so we can win this race.

or

We can sit here and berate each other.

The clock is a ticking and the race is almost over.

It's going to take a lot more then SME8.

SME8 is going to need a top notch support system for this project to survive.

A system that prohibits....

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which is quite a common occurrence unfortunately.

Have to go, lost power here and the system is running on the UPS.

That reminds me, had a problem with the nut driver for this ups and
I'm trying to fix it amongst all the other stuff.

Someone patched the drive and it was commited to the trunk  but it
hasn't arrived on the SME yet.

I hope the internet is still up and this posts.

Later

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Re: Yum problem
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 08:12:50 PM »
electroman00

You could have fixed the documentation as easily as I did, but you decided to be lazy and asked/expected someone else to do it.
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