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Offline mercyh

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Re: webmin
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2008, 05:05:44 PM »
It could be that 16,767 people are wrong and should be using something different :P.

http://smolt.contribs.org/stats.html


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Re: webmin
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2008, 05:57:31 PM »
Not everyone is a developer / coder ?
Everyones  level of expertise differs ?

So, then try help out by answering post in forums, testing the software, spread the word how GOOD SME actually is for organisations that dont have mega buks to throw at the point and click MS option...

But the bottom line is , Do Not look a Gift horse in the mouth;
I believe the Gambling term is : Put up, Or shut up;

End rant :D

To the Developers, contributers, document folks; Keep up the excellent work

Offline pfloor

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Re: webmin
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2008, 07:33:43 PM »
I believe the Gambling term is : Put up, Or shut up;

My favorite "one liner" occurred some 30 years ago when the car we were in stalled right in the middle of the road.  A couple of us were trying to get it pushed to the side and out of the way and a 3rd "friend" stood there in front of the car and jabbered on complaining about the situation.  My friend looked him straight in the face and said:

"Don't just stand there jabbering on, either Push, Pull or get the &%@#$ out of the way."

I have shortened it and my version is simply "Push, Pull or get out of the way"

In my opinion (knowing what I know now), this line fits (to a tee) open source software development.
In life, you must either "Push, Pull or Get out of the way!"

Offline electroman00

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Re: webmin
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2008, 10:46:24 PM »
Let's see

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1 Post with the intent to understand the issue at hand, with a desire to culminate to an agreed solution, if a problem is realized.

2 Post with the intent to be rude, insult, degrade, defame some group, entity or individual.

3 Don't post at all.

Those are fairly simple choices to understand.

1 & 3 should be the only acceptable posting types within an open source software development community.

Should your desire be #2 then I think most everyone will agree that #3 should be be your choice.

There were some very valid points and issue's presented within this thread and if your only ability is to respond with

Put up, Or shut up
Push, Pull or get the &%@#$ out of the way

THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER #3.

I know I would be very grateful if you considered #3, I'm sure others would be grateful and I'm absolutely sure
newcomers to this forum would be grateful if you made #3 your choice.

That behavior is unnecessary, unwarranted, uncalled for, disgraceful, disrespectful and most of all degrading to the entire community.

The purpose of this community is to serve as a meeting place where all can collaborate on the issues and problems and development
of the community.

Anyone who tries to justify....

Put up, Or shut up (112 posts)
Push, Pull or get the &%@#$ out of the way (798 posts)

is doing nothing more then trying to justify deplorable bad behavior.

Maybe you don't realize that, this is not your community, it's everyone's community who donates as well as those that do not.

And who wants to donate to a community where by they will be subjecting themselves to this type of behavior and abuse.

Who in their right mind, would want to donate in any way to support this crap behavior.

Did you even consider that before you posted, I think not.

Maybe you should.

I'm sorry you don't agree with everything  that is said in a forum.

That simply doesn't give anyone the right to be abusive in anyway.

Communicating using a respectful & understand approach will yield a positive result.

Positive results is what everyone wants, bottom line..!!

Reasons or Results

Reasons don't count.

The "Results" should not be deplorable bad & abusive negative behavior.

It needs to stop.....

Stop....not only in this thread, but every thread.

Better yet, it doesn't need to stop, for it should never start.

Sure people will come to the forum without an understanding of their issues or problems or minimum level of respect required.
That doesn't mean you should stoop to their level or below or even that you are granted a right somehow to bad & abusive negative behavior.

You are however, granted the right to rise above everything with your skills and knowledge and help them overcome their misunderstandings, issues and problem.

Surely these statements don't fulfill that granted right to help someone, which you had available to you.

Put up, Or shut up (112 posts)
Push, Pull or get the &%@#$ out of the way (798 posts)

The right to be respectful and help someone that is.

You by your very own behavior, took that right from yourself and at the same time disgraced this community.

Is that really what you wanted to project?

Do you think anyone here wants you to project that kind of behavior.

What if someone has a business deploying SME server and makes a living at it, to feed their family and at the same time
donates to this community.

What if their customer, just happened to find this thread and all the others like it in this forum.

What then, you just banter back and forth justifying the behavior.

I think not...because the damage will have been done.

There were two posters one with 3 posts the other with 4 posts and somehow you thought it was appropriate
to end with.......

Put up, Or shut up (112 posts)
Push, Pull or get the &%@#$ out of the way (798 posts)

Looks to me like you guys lost the game by default, you thru in the towel, game over, by default.

That certainly is something to be proud of isn't it.

Grow up..

Offline pfloor

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Re: webmin
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2008, 06:10:50 AM »
electroman00, next time you quote someone, please do so in it's entire context.  The entire saying is:

"Don't just stand there jabbering on, either Push, Pull or get the &%@#$ out of the way."

I have broken down your post and came to the conclusion that you are basically telling me to:

Stop posting rudely, insultingly, etc (Don't just stand there jabbering on),
Post nicely and lend a helping hand (Push),
Contribute in any way you can (Pull),
Or keep quiet (or Get Out of the Way).

You have brought this all to light for me.  I am just standing here jabbering on, neither Pushing nor Pulling so I think I will just "get out of the way".

Yes, I lose, I throw in the towell, the game is over for me.  YOU WIN.  I gave it my best and in the end, I blew it.  800 posts and one that didn't sit well with you.  Sorry I couldn't do better. 

What I can't figure out electroman00 is whether you are pushing or pulling but that doesn't really matter anymore, you have achieved your ultimate goal and managed to "get me out of the way".
In life, you must either "Push, Pull or Get out of the way!"