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fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection

Offline femc

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fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection
« on: January 17, 2009, 06:03:08 PM »
my *&&&### em relay service provider will be adopting the gmail technology, he announced. I already tested fechmail from shirrms.net ( latest version 1.3.6 ), here you can set the em collection to pop(SSL-experimental). I tried it with my gmail account - and it works. I need to use it later in a production environment - and here I am slightly scared to use anything which is 'experimental' questions :

1) has anybody any experience with this schirrms.net ssl-experimental ? is it stable ?

2) in case nobody has an experience - what is the advice should i use it ?

this fetchmal contribs is sometings for dummies - i know - but i am a dummy, and I have to frequently change the distribution list.

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Re: fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 09:00:03 AM »
somebody out there with any negative or positive experience ?

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Re: fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 12:13:46 PM »
Have you upgraded to the latest version of SME and tested? Mine stopped working.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2009, 12:15:22 PM by stuntshell »

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Re: fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 12:49:19 PM »
yes - I am in the process of upgrading with the latest updates for sme74 + fetchmail. My isp ( + mail relay service provider ), will do the change to the gmail technology next week with no transition period - so i have no experience.

anybody else with a positive or negative experience ?

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Re: fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 10:33:22 PM »
Hi,

We have our domain hosted with Google apps and started with Fetchmail and SME 7.3, and updated to 7.4 with no problems. We use the Pop ssl to fetch the mails and this works absolutely fine. I tried the Imap ssl and this works but the results are the same as the pop downloader. The Imap functionality I was expecting (sync'd mailboxes etc.) isn't there, I think the Imap ssl is effectively a pop downloader but using an Imap login protocol. I did contact Pascal about it but didn't manage to resolve the Imap vs Pop thing with him.

The downside of doing it this way is that the user's prime e-mail account is hosted by Google, and Google's spam filters will affect their emails. So I can guarantee that some legit e-mails will end up in the Gmail spam box and will not be downloaded to the SME server. This means you need to check the users' Gmail mailboxes now and then, Update: or setup a filter in Gmail so that no messages get sent to the Spam folder. In my case this isn't a problem but depends on how many users you have.

I've ended up with a bit of a mix of Sme & gmail depending on the individual user (and also due to the fact that I was new to both Google apps and SME and didn't know which method was going to the best one for our company)

I have to say that the straight Gmail solution is very very good and is probably the best for us. Some of our users just use Gmail in their browser and don't know about SME mail. This really works if you have people with iPhones or needing e-mail access outside of the office.
Some other users have Thunderbird (with IMAP) connected direct to Gmail and this syncs really well, some have Outlook / Tbird pop access to SME, and some just have internal e-mail thru SME. In order to get the internal mail to go to users who only use the Gmail interface you need to forward the sme e-mail to their gmail account (in the sme user account setup page).

I've really tried to make Horde work for us but the interface is sadly just a bit too clunky. Another downside of Google apps is that you can't have shared address books (only addresses within the domain are shared!) and this is definitely a negative, but only a minor irritation compared to the really nice features in Gmail these days.

Another minor negative is that with Gmail you are reliant on Google always being available, and this isn't 100% guaranteed. In the past year there have been 1 or 2 occasions where the google servers have been tardy but at no time have we lost our service (this is probably because we are in the UK and do most of our business before the US gets busy). If you host your own mail you always have access to the mails irrespective of what's happening with the internet, but of course you are more dependent on your server hardware. Horses for courses.

Sorry if the reply is a bit fragmented, if you have any other questions please let me know and I'll try to help.

Regards

John (dummy too!)
« Last Edit: January 27, 2009, 11:16:19 AM by engdev »

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Re: fetchmail from schirrms.net for gmail pop collection
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 12:08:40 AM »
Quote from: engdev link=topic=43087.msg204952#msg204952
I tried the Imap ssl and this works but the results are the same as the pop downloader.

Yes, that's what fetchmail does.

If SME server built-in multidrop fetchmail support doesn't work for you with gmail then you should open a New Feature Request in the bug tracker.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2009, 12:21:52 AM by CharlieBrady »