Topic: To those who are interested

[iowatorts]

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Edit by moderator :-
Note that the following goes against SME design philosophy and you should read the entire thread
It may install, but unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing it will most likely break your server
We therefore do not recommend the use of Webmin - that is what you have the Server-Manager for
Please do not install this and then report a bug !

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I just installed my SME Server 9.0 on one of my PowerEdge Servers, In doing so I did not like the interface not showing the stats for the server it was running on, I went ahead and installed Webmin from their website. It works perfectly!

Proof Of Concept: Im xxing out information related to my server,as this server has proprietary materials on it.

*****Set Your SME Server to Allow SSH Login As ROOT LOCAL NETWORK ONLY!!!******

login as: root
root@192.168.XX.XX's password:
Last login: Tue Nov 25 18:22:10 2014 from pc-00104.i******s.net



Pay Attention Here:

[root@i*****m etc]# nano /etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo

Pasted this in:

[Webmin]
name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
#baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
mirrorlist=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum/mirrorlist
enabled=1

Hit Ctrl O to Save Then Ctrl X to exit

Then


Get GPG-KEY


[root@i****m etc]# wget http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
--2014-11-25 23:19:06--  http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
Resolving www.webmin.com... 216.34.181.97
Connecting to www.webmin.com|216.34.181.97|:80... ^C
[root@i****m etc]# wget www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
--2014-11-25 23:20:05--  http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
Resolving www.webmin.com... 216.34.181.97
Connecting to www.webmin.com|216.34.181.97|:80... ^C
[root@i****m etc]# wget http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
--2014-11-25 23:21:12--  http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
Resolving www.webmin.com... 216.34.181.97
Connecting to www.webmin.com|216.34.181.97|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 1320 (1.3K) [text/plain]
Saving to: “jcameron-key.asc”


100%[======================================>] 1,320       --.-K/s   in 0.02s

2014-11-25 23:21:21 (73.1 KB/s) - “jcameron-key.asc” saved [1320/1320]

[root@i*****m etc]# rpm --import jcameron-key.asc

Install Webmin

Changed Directory to /home[\b]


[root@i****/home]# wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm
--2014-11-25 23:28:30--  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm
Resolving prdownloads.sourceforge.net... 216.34.181.59
Connecting to prdownloads.sourceforge.net|216.34.181.59|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/webadmin/webmin/1.720/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm [following]
--2014-11-25 23:28:30--  http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/webadmin/webmin/1.720/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm
Resolving downloads.sourceforge.net... 216.34.181.59
Connecting to downloads.sourceforge.net|216.34.181.59|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://hivelocity.dl.sourceforge.net/project/webadmin/webmin/1.720/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm [following]
--2014-11-25 23:28:30--  http://hivelocity.dl.sourceforge.net/project/webadmin/webmin/1.720/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm
Resolving hivelocity.dl.sourceforge.net... 74.50.101.106
Connecting to hivelocity.dl.sourceforge.net|74.50.101.106|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 22377434 (21M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: “webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm”

100%[======================================>] 22,377,434  4.00M/s   in 5.2s

2014-11-25 23:28:36 (4.07 MB/s) - “webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm” saved [22377434/22377434]]

Issue Commands as Follows:

[root@i****m home]# ls

[root@i****m home]# rpm -Uvh webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm

Preparing...                ########################################### [100%]
Operating system is CentOS Linux
   1:webmin                 ########################################### [100%]
Webmin install complete. You can now login to https://i***m:10000/

Use user:root not admin with your admin password ( root with your root password.) for login

Should See This On Login:

WEBMIN IN THE CENTER OF SCREEN WITH A DOLPHIN

System hostname    i***m.i******s.net (192.168.**.**)
Operating system    CentOS Linux 6.6
Webmin version    1.720
Time on system    Wed Nov 26 00:07:27 2014
Kernel and CPU    Linux 2.6.32-504.1.3.el6.i686 on i686
Processor information    Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz, 4 cores
System uptime    1 hours, 02 minutes
Running processes    245
CPU load averages    1.15 (1 min) 1.14 (5 mins) 1.09 (15 mins)
CPU usage    22% user, 3% kernel, 0% IO, 75% idle
Real memory    406.27 MB used, 11.44 GB total
Virtual memory    0 bytes used, 5.79 GB total
Local disk space    9.84 GB used, 160.72 GB total
Package updates    All installed packages are up to date



The whole Webmin Menu should show up, now you have the SME Server 9.0 Menu and Webmin

Webmin is located at:https:// (your hostname here):10000

Thank you for your time and a simple add on, nothing fancy....you an now add packages that are in Webmin as well. to your liking. Make sure you check the compatibility of CentOS 6.5/6.6 and your system. Any Package for CentOS should work as well as the Red Hat build it is on.


Thanks
Phil


Btw Do Not Leave SSH Enabled on your Server,Unless you are working on it.. even if its local only...

[guest22]

I just installed my SME Server 9.0 on one of my PowerEdge Servers, In doing so I did not like the interface not showing the stats for the server it was running on, I went ahead and installed Webmin from their website. It works perfectly!

Hi, and welcome.

Installing webmin on SME Server is a *very* bad idea. It will definitely break SME Server inner workings.

See SME Server architecture http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Documentation:Developers_Manual

guest

[Stefano]

I just installed my SME Server 9.0 on one of my PowerEdge Servers, In doing so I did not like the interface not showing the stats for the server it was running on, I went ahead and installed Webmin from their website. It works perfectly!

maybe.

you did break your server for sure, at least regarding inner SME's internals

Proof Of Concept: Im xxing out information related to my server,as this server has proprietary materials on it.

too may "xx" in your post..

in any case, if you need to extend SME's features, you have to install a contrib (in other words, a plug-in)
please take some time to read this page:
http://wiki.contribs.org/Category:Contrib

@ALL: Installing webmin on SME will break templates/db/events engine and can lead to unpredictable effects.
DON'T DO IT

[iowatorts]

I have had no bad affects, the xx's are to protect the business servers identities and internals I will keep you posted, as if there are issues that arise. So far nothing to report yet. I will go over the materials you outlined, a lot of the links were broke however...

Thanks
Phil

[Stefano]

I have had no bad affects,

you have, but you don't know how SME works and so you are not able to see what's wrong
webmin and SME's internal engine are not compatible, in any way..

I will go over the materials you outlined, a lot of the links were broke however...

if so, please open a bug in bugzilla about broken links, thank you

[Stefano]

I will outline other things you made in the "wrong" way

[root@i*****m etc]# nano /etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo

repos' info are stored into a db (yum_repositories), no need to create/edit files
for an example on how it works, see http://wiki.contribs.org/Dag

[root@i****/home]# wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm
[root@i****m home]# rpm -Uvh webmin-1.720-1.noarch.rpm

I see no reason to download a rpm  and install it with rpm if you have a repo
in any case, don't use rpm, install with

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yum localinstall your_rpm


Should See This On Login:

WEBMIN IN THE CENTER OF SCREEN WITH A DOLPHIN

System hostname    i***m.i******s.net (192.168.**.**)
Operating system    CentOS Linux 6.6
Webmin version    1.720
Time on system    Wed Nov 26 00:07:27 2014
Kernel and CPU    Linux 2.6.32-504.1.3.el6.i686 on i686
Processor information    Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz, 4 cores
System uptime    1 hours, 02 minutes
Running processes    245
CPU load averages    1.15 (1 min) 1.14 (5 mins) 1.09 (15 mins)
CPU usage    22% user, 3% kernel, 0% IO, 75% idle
Real memory    406.27 MB used, 11.44 GB total
Virtual memory    0 bytes used, 5.79 GB total
Local disk space    9.84 GB used, 160.72 GB total
Package updates    All installed packages are up to date

at the end, you broke your SME only to see a fancy web page with some numbers over it? really?
everything you are asking is available via a contrib, a single package like logwatch, or a custom script that runs via cron..

[Stefano]

OT in this forum, move to General Discussion

[janet]

iowatorts & other less experienced readers

Webmin is not fully compatible with SME server. There are many posts in these forums over the last few years that explain why.
You should not make any changes to your system using Webmin as these changes will be overwritten by SME server system events.
You may not immediately see any problems but in time you will for sure have problems.

I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU TO REMOVE WEBMIN FROM YOUR SYSTEM.

Search these forums on webmin & go back many years, the same issues still exist with SME 9, as it uses the same underlying system mechanisms (ie templates & db settings) that earlier versions of SME server used. 
IIRC webmin directly edits config files in the standard way that most Linux systems do.
SME server is very different to other Linux implementations (even CentOS) because templates & db settings are used to regularly regenerate config files, so manual changes or webmin instigated changes to config files will be overwritten & lost.
Please read about & learn the SME server way of doing things, refer to Developers Manual & numerous Howto tutorials. See links at top of forums.

[stephdl]

I just installed my SME Server 9.0 on one of my PowerEdge Servers, In doing so I did not like the interface not showing the stats for the server it was running on, I went ahead and installed Webmin from their website. It works perfectly!

Hi iowatorts

did you try sme9admin, we have made some works recently, could you test it and report, Normally you will have stats
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,51308.0.html

[iowatorts]

I will outline other things you made in the "wrong" way

repos' info are stored into a db (yum_repositories), no need to create/edit files
for an example on how it works, see http://wiki.contribs.org/Dag

I see no reason to download a rpm  and install it with rpm if you have a repo
in any case, don't use rpm, install with

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yum localinstall your_rpm


at the end, you broke your SME only to see a fancy web page with some numbers over it? really?
everything you are asking is available via a contrib, a single package like logwatch, or a custom script that runs via cron..

Thats some attitude you have there, I quote you "you broke your SME only to see a fancy web page with some numbers over it really??" and NO ITS NOT BROKE!!!  I have a BA in Security Systems In Linux and know what I am doing, I made modifications and scripts to make this work, I put this on here to show it can be done, and it was an IDEA. Doesnt mean you run right out and install it. This would be done by experienced Linux Admins... If you had a better interface I wouldnt have to go install this on my system. If i want modify my copy that is MY Business it is OPEN SOURCE or did you forget that concept? NOT its one way the way SME admins want it....This is my call you gave me the warning I deal with the mess you advised users not to do it. me however I am experienced and have the credentials to prove it. What I see your comment is VERY rude and unprofessional. And By the way I am beta testing this software, to see if it fits our needs. You should have asked me my requirements and been professional in your answers to assist me.


Thank you
Phil


 

[warren]

Hi Phil,

And By the way I am beta testing this software, to see if it fits our needs

As hwang already pointed out, Maybe have look here as the starting point. http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Documentation:Developers_Manual especially the Architecture overview section.

This section lays out some of the fundamental differences between SME and stock CentOS / RedHat / NIX.

If i want modify my copy that is MY Business it is OPEN SOURCE or did you forget that concept?

  TRUE .

and like having a motor vehicle, you can paint it any colour you like, and even drive it all day in reverse, although that would be using the "product" in a manner that it was not originally designed for, and you would not get as much pleasure from it's use. 

All been said, SME is a very pleasurable "product" when used according to it's design principles.

[Stefano]

NO ITS NOT BROKE!!! 

au contraire mon ami, it is..
just log is as root, do a

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yum upgrade

you will likely update update a smeserver-x package.. and you will be requested to do

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signal-event post-upgrade; signal-event reboot

when you restart your server, all the settings you modified with webmin  will be gone.. so, it's broke

and this will be almost the same if you install webmin on a Nethserver, Zentyal, Clearos install..
if you decide to use such a customized and highly integrated linux distro, you have to/must follow the rules.

I have a BA in Security Systems In Linux

I'm from italy and it doesn't tell me anything..

and know what I am doing, I made modifications and scripts to make this work, I put this on here to show it can be done, and it was an IDEA.

maybe.. maybe you are right if you were talking about a plain centos install.. but you are not..

Doesnt mean you run right out and install it. This would be done by experienced Linux Admins... If you had a better interface I wouldnt have to go install this on my system. If i want modify my copy that is MY Business it is OPEN SOURCE or did you forget that concept? NOT its one way the way SME admins want it....This is my call you gave me the warning I deal with the mess you advised users not to do it.

you are using a screwdriver to make holes.. it will work, but not as you expect

me however I am experienced and have the credentials to prove it.

first of all, I have no doubt about your skills but:
- you are experienced with other linux flavours.. if you were experienced with SME you know that what you did is simply useless and wrong
- you didn't search the forums.. just use webmin as search key.. you'll discover it will break SME
- you didn't read the documentation nor the forums, because (apparently) you don't know anything about how SME works

finally, let me say that you don't have to prove me anything ad honestly I'm not interested in knowing it..
anyway, if you are an experienced linux user you could help us (the community) to improve SME..
see bugzilla and join devinfo ML (wiki will tell you more), you are welcome

What I see your comment is VERY rude and unprofessional.

I'm afraid you are misunderstanding me and maybe it depends on the fact english is not my mother tongue.. if you prefer, I could explain myself in italian and you could try to understand me.. do you prefer?
in any case, I apologize

And By the way I am beta testing this software,

what you are beta testing? SME? SME is available in stable release (8 and 9) and in unsupported release (7).. so.. what are you "beta" testing? your customized/broken SME?
if you need webmin, you'd better start over with a plain centos install

You should have asked me my requirements and been professional in your answers to assist me.

no, my friend.. you are seeing things from the wrong point of view
let me explain you that this is a forum, not an helpdesk.. if YOU need help, YOU come here, tell us WHAT YOU need (and preferably NOT HOW YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IT) and we (the community) will help you at our best (and often in a very professional manner).. in other words, if you need help you must help us to help you..

Thank you   

you are welcome

[janet]

iowatorts Phil

Please do not respond "reactively" & emotionally.
Many posters here come from non english backgrounds & the language (words) used can have different strengths of meanings for different readers & posters.

Stefanos sentiment is that it is not a good idea to install webmin.

While it is not difficult to install, the same goes for many other packages available out there that work generically on Linux.

By you showing other less experienced & less knowledgable readers how to install a non compatible package, you have have effectively said to users "Hey it's OK to install webmin, it's easy, here is how you do it & I recommend it because it really does work".

This is not how admins & developers around here prefer to promote or support SME server. They prefer to offer reliable tested solutions that are fully compatible.
When less experienced users follow your "well meaning" advice, they get into trouble with settings changing mysteriously etc, & it is the long standing committed individuals here, who then have to spend time helping them fix their system, which is really a waste of time then.

As I have said, installing webmin is NOT a good idea, it is a bad idea.
While I congatulate you on your keeness to share etc, I would really prefer it if you removed your step by step post so others are not tempted to follow it.

As Stefano has said, there are numerous other contrib packages available for free that are compatible with SME server & do most if not all that webmin does. See the Contribs & Howto links at top of these Forums, & make sure you read all the Manuals & the FAQ too.
While webmin is a standard tool on many other Linux distros, it is just not applicable for SME server due to the way the underlying config system works.

The "Golden Rule" on SME is to NOT change config files directly.

The other Golden Rule is to keep the base system as small as possible & with less maintenance requirements, & additional features are added by add on contribs, which are maintained by individuals or users, quite seperately from the main SME server base system.

Re your comments about the GUI interface, developers are looking at rewriting the server manager using Mojolicious or similar, so the problem is known about & being looked at.

SME 9 has only recently been released, & a major backend infrastructure move has only just been completed, so attention can be directed to improving SME 9.0 with a 9.1 release.

We need more skilled developers so rather than putting your energy towards angst at Stefano etc, we would prefer to have your coding skills etc, even if you only make a small contribution of your time, every little bit helps the community

[Xavier.A]

hi iowatorts and welcome here 

My 2 cents:

Because I'm a teacher I will try to be more pedagogic :If you are testing the SME Server, You are right to experiment and to explore every possibilities.

If you use Webmin, Webmin will not break the server, it's your actions.

Anyway, 2 or 3 years before, I have tried to use webmin because i didn't want to install bad contribs to manage few services. Webmin was useful to manage postgresql databases and mysql databases.

If you don't use Webmin to manage core services in the sme server you will not break the server but you have to find by yourself which services you can modify(reading the documentation).

As I'm used to say to my students : try try try and if you break anything, re-try again !

Now on this forum there are a lot of different personality and you will see some are very aggressive and some are very kind. Stay and make your opinion, SME Server is a fantastic geek toy to play with.

And be patient, the interface will change in few month.

[Stefano]

I agree with kid_of_leognan

O.T. kid_of_leognan: would you like to elaborate the meaning of "SME Server Debian Edition"? thank you in advance