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SME 11 : choose upstream

Offline ReetP

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2022, 12:28:46 AM »
There are usually quite big jumps between versions.

A lot of stuff can get deprecated as Terry has found out.

When (a huge "when") we migrate the build system we may be able to build both versions at the same time, but that is some way off right now.

In the meantime, the more people who help us - there are jobs for all skill levels - the more we can do.

It's up to you all as a community, not just the few of us currently.
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Offline Mike R

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2022, 12:39:38 AM »
I also use a proxmox with SME 10 VM's on it.
But you are right, that shift to x86-64-v2 is scary.
Not sure if my server's processor will support that.
It never gets easier, does it and I'm sure they have more reasons that make it impossible to skip a version.
Just wanted to ask because, just maybe, if it was possible, that would make the eol of SME11 that much further away that it would give you guys some breathing room and just maybe you could do things you would normally not have the time for.
Well, that's probably wishful thinking.

Offline mmccarn

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2022, 01:31:37 PM »
My 2009 Dell Optiplex 980 (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860  @ 2.80GHz) supports x86-64-v2.

After changing the CPU setting in my proxmox guests from "kvm64" to "host" or "max" the guests also report x86-64-v2 (and seem to run faster...)

I'm downloading Rocky9 to see if it works as a guest on this system.

[edit] The Rocky9 DVD installed flawlessly as a guest under proxmox 7.2 on my 2009 Optiplex 980 using CPU "max"
« Last Edit: September 24, 2022, 03:09:12 PM by mmccarn »

Offline Mike R

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2022, 03:15:44 PM »
Thanks for the hint.
I will try this as soon as I can make time...

Offline Jean-Philippe Pialasse

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2022, 09:15:58 PM »
you can find a lot of script around the net currently to test if your hardware server is compatible.

the one I use, and there might be some better, but this one works for me :

cpuCheck2
Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash
set -e

verbose=
while getopts v OPTLET; do
  case "$OPTLET" in
    v) verbose=1;;
    \?) exit 2;;
  esac
done

flags=$(grep '^flags\b' </proc/cpuinfo | head -n 1)
flags=" ${flags#*:} "

has_flags () {
  for flag; do
    case "$flags" in
      *" $flag "*) :;;
      *)
        if [ -n "$verbose" ]; then
          echo >&2 "Missing $flag for the next level"
        fi
        return 1;;
    esac
  done
}

determine_level () {
  level=0
  has_flags lm cmov cx8 fpu fxsr mmx syscall sse2 || return 0
  level=1
  has_flags cx16 lahf_lm popcnt sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 || return 0
  level=2
  has_flags avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 f16c fma abm movbe xsave || return 0
  level=3
  has_flags avx512f avx512bw avx512cd avx512dq avx512vl || return 0
  level=4
}

determine_level
echo "Level $level"


Offline Mike R

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2022, 03:23:33 AM »
A, thanks, Jean-Philippe.
My Server is Level3, so I am in the clear.

Offline Gary Douglas

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2023, 10:24:41 AM »

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2023, 01:05:17 PM »
here's a good read for us old timers;  https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-software-an-old-maddogs-view/

Indeed.

My take away from that is:

If you want to stay open source then use Debian/similar which is community run and will likely always be open source eg Proxmox

Otherwise use RHEL - or RH competitor, pay your money, and stop complaining.

(I am not saying whether this is right or wrong - just my interpretation)
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Offline Gary Douglas

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2023, 07:59:28 AM »
I agree.

Was nice to read the history of my journey through the years.

I was immediately drawn to linux as a lad and wouldn't want to lose it. But it is the freedom I enjoy most of all, and a community of like minded hackers. Is it about the money? No.

Offline ReetP

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2023, 11:25:39 AM »
A question rather than an answer.

How do people feel about the IBM/RHEL travails?

We have been pretty set on using Rocky going forward but does anyone have any thoughts or comments?

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Offline Gary Douglas

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2023, 03:52:34 PM »
Most my SME's are vm's on debian hypervisors and my desktop debian too.
Both operating systems are incredibly reliable and quite similar.
SME has always been reliable and its relative simplicity has allowed less knowledgeable people like me to deploy.
SME on debian would be good but thats a major rewrite. SME on rocky might be a risk.
At least IBM redhat outed it now with some time to run on centos7.

Offline Jean-Philippe Pialasse

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2023, 07:38:59 PM »
apart of the rewrite, moving to debian would be :
- a higher load to build ourself needed packages (no epel, no remi, no rpmfusion, no openfusion repo)
- we rely heavily on perl and this is less available in core repos
- we rely on a lts model with stability which has no similar model with deb packages.  this would lead to more work to maintain sme on a daily basis with newer packages popping more regularly. we do not have man power for such load

Offline bunkobugsy

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2023, 08:29:41 PM »
There're always Oracle and Alma that should be almost identical to Rocky with different rebuild strategies, just in case.

But how about CentOS Stream, are package versions, stability and release strategy that different to EL?
Pity Stream 8 EOLs next year a month before Centos7, but for 3 more years of support there's Stream 9.

Ten years of lifetime seems to be getting a rare bird on free (and familiar) enterprise linux grounds.

https://rocky-stats.tiuxo.com/
« Last Edit: August 07, 2023, 10:18:05 PM by bunkobugsy »

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2023, 09:03:30 PM »

Offline Gary Douglas

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2023, 06:38:49 AM »
https://openela.org/   is that freepbx's frog?