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notice to all SME/RAV customers

Darrell May

notice to all SME/RAV customers
« on: July 11, 2003, 09:39:40 PM »
myEZserver.com joins BitDefender as an International Distributor.

The official announcement is here:

http://myezserver.com/BitDefender/BitDefenderPressRelease.pdf

Our forum post is here:

http://myezserver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=400

Regards,

Darrell

Dan York

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2003, 11:22:28 PM »
Please note that commercial advertising is not appropriate for this forum as these bulletin boards are for peer support of our unsupported developers release of our software.

Joe

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2003, 12:02:30 AM »
Well I for one thank Darrell for posting this as many other people I'm sure will be glad.

This is probably continuing over from the Dev-Info list where there "were" some issue's going on between them.

Where is Darrell saying he is selling anything? Sounds like he is just posting a notice as in the title bar.

Kind Regards

Joe

Dan Brown

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2003, 12:18:44 AM »
Well, where Darrell says he's selling something is in the message he posted here, the PDF he linked to, and the forum thread he linked to--I read "I'm international distributor for X" as "I'm selling X".  That said, even though it is a commercial post, it's also a subject that a lot of SME users are interested in (as the continuing threads about AV software indicate).  My judgment, FWIW, is that this post by itself wouldn't be a problem--but "FWIW" in this case isn't much, as these aren't my boards.

Drew

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2003, 12:37:26 AM »
My 2 cents...

1.  Many folks here are running - and have been running - the RAV anti virus product on their SME servers.  This topic is obviously very important going forward for those folks running RAV.  Commercial or not - this information should be released and the folks on this forum should get it.

2.  What the #$%^ is going on between Darrell and you guys at Mitel?!  The tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife.  I'm not taking sides (since I have no clue what happened in the first place), but can't you guys play nice??

Have a great day...
Drew

PS - Thanks for the info, Darrell.

Bill Pflaumer

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2003, 03:59:05 AM »
I Agree with Dan
Darrell , you replied to one of my posts (in sarcastic terms) about a year  ago because I misposted as a newbie to SME, as if you owned the forum . My post was an innocent mistake, not an advertisement. Your e-mail address should be barred from this forum. Also, we haven't heard from you in a long time on this forum, I just though you croaked.
I heard you were selling Lemonade this weekend on the corner. Pour it over your bitdefender software to scan it for viruses. I enjoyed this, paybacks are a bitch.

Bill

Robert

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2003, 11:58:47 AM »
well i tried to try RAV but got no response to help from them.
im using clam - and its free!
does anyone know the relative merits or quality of clam v RAV or
anything else?
their updates seem quite active (over 20 last month),
although I must also say that twice in the last 6 months they have been
'unreachable' for a few hours.
regards Rob

Dan York

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2003, 09:41:24 PM »
Folks,

Whoa... hold on a second... my response here had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fact that Darrell was posting it.  I would have posted the same EXACT response here if any of you (or anyone else) had posted a similar message.

Darrell was not posting something like "There is a new update to RAV to address vulnerability XXXXX, click here for more details."    If there was something of a **technical** nature that would have been of value to users of the unsupported developer version who also use RAV, it would have been a different matter.

Instead, what was posted was a **press release** announcing the business relationship between two companies. The issue we have is that if this is allowed, soon *every* company that is doing something related to our product will start posting their news releases... and very soon thereafter these forums lose their technical support usefulness as they degenerate into simply yet another advertising forum.

We sponsor these forums to provide peer-to-peer **technical support** for users of our unsupported developer release.  We would like it to stay that way, and respectfully ask ALL companies who provide products/service/support/etc. related to our products to respect our wishes and ONLY post items here of a technical nature.

Thank you,
Dan

Dan Williams

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2003, 09:45:37 PM »
I Agree as well.
I to have had many snotty replies from Darrell, as have associates of mine that I had referred his way.
I have followed devinfo long enough to see the reasoning for tension between the two.
Each and every one of us at one point or another started somewhere, and have (and still do) inapropriately ask stupid questions on the forums but do not get snotty answers from people in the community including Mitel.
Try and post a thread like this on his forum and see how it is responded to.
I to am listed as a reseller for RAV. There was instant concern about this as if something was being threatened. I was also approached by several Vendors to be a reseller for their products after the announcement that RAV would be discontinued and did considerable thinking before making the following decision.
I will not put myself in a situation with Mission Critical applications like Antivirus etc that rely on someone elses "interface"  or "support" to make it work. The results of doing that are obvious with what happened to RAV, great product, strong company, but gone in a heartbeat, included with it all of Darrell ( or whoever it may be's) hard work etc to make it user friendly with the OS you chose. I do not believe you can put so much faith in someone who did not actually write the Operating System or the Application themself, because without either they are nothing. They simply have enough knowledge to create the interface to the two, that I believe hazes over who really did the legwork to start with. If  you read into that enough you will get what I mean. What happens when Bitdefender of whoever gets bought out, or gets in financial trouble or what ever.
You have to remember we are using someone (Mitels) free Operating system and someones "Purchased/Commercial programs-interfaces) and expecting the whole thing to be "Supported".
I use a lot of the contribs and truly appreciate them, and the people who have created them, and the community spirit the reads and replies in constructive terms. From my personal experience I believe that it makes sense to look at the "Supported" service offerings from Mitel on current and future releases for a sure bet. Regarding buying anyones product, it is also a wise idea to look just a little bit deeper into how good of a deal you are really getting when it comes time for support, and, who do you get the support from? I had one client who purchased RAV and then when he needed support was asked to "buy" it.
Dan

Craig Jensen

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2003, 12:49:22 AM »
Howdy,

> Dan York said:

> **press release** announcing
> the business relationship between two companies. The issue we
> have is that if this is allowed, soon *every* company that is
> doing something related to our product will start posting
> their news releases... and very soon thereafter these forums
> lose their technical support usefulness as they degenerate
> into simply yet another advertising forum.

Got to agree with this...
 
I have to admit that when I read Darrell's notice it 'felt' a little "retailish"...
I would feel very uncomfortable 'posting notice' of my retail ventures with SME on this forum.

Craig D. Jensen

Drew

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2003, 03:11:50 AM »
The success and commercialization of Linux...a double edged sword.  It's funny.  When Linux was an infant back in the early 90's people didn't really pay much attention, and there were Linux folks saying "Hey, this really works...pay attention to this."  Now the big guys are paying attention (and dollars!, ie. Microsoft buying RAV, Mitel buying E-smith) and I think I can hear some Linux folks wishing for the old days back - when they didn't have to worry about someone 'buying out' the company or setting roadblocks in their path to computing nirvana.

Maybe it's time to just throw in the towel...

Ray

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2003, 08:58:48 AM »
Or move to BSD :->

PC

Re: notice to all SME/RAV customers
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2003, 12:29:32 AM »
A late post, but FWIW,

There was a lot of chatter about commercialism and such, and I agree that
there shouldn't be out and out retailism on this forum.

Perhaps there should be a Forum dedicated to the commercial retail packages
that is separate from a forum that has share packages on it.

That way those who have the bucks can spend it on the retail versions, while
those who don't have the bucks or choose not to spend can find the contribs
there.

Remember folks, this is supposed to be a community, and if we can't find a way
to get along, we might as well pack-up and join microsoft!