Koozali.org: home of the SME Server

Lycoris to take over contribs.org

Offline dmay

  • *
  • 450
  • +0/-0
    • http://myezserver.com
Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2004, 05:10:47 PM »
It is somewhat confusing at this point where the Lycoris team wants community development discussions to take place. You have opened discussions on this forum. You have opened discussions on the developers mailing list. You have opened discussions and directed people to visit the Lycoris greenhouse at lycoris.org. You have directed people to directly e-mail Lycoris staff.

Please clarify a single location where Lycoris wants SME Server community development discussions to occur.

Offline ngomes

  • ****
  • 129
  • +0/-0
Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2004, 05:16:12 PM »
Mike, Rus and all Lycoris Team,

I can only speak for myself:
- I deeply welcome all the Lycoris team.
- I do thank you Jeff and RequestedDeletion for your long-run vision.

Just 2 more cents:

1. Please do submit Polls on important issues. Keep this community involved and well informed. Do not hide important information from this great public.

2. Please do keep all the good “social environment” and community relations/procedures that brought Mitel/E-Smith SME Server to here. And please, DO LEARN from the mistakes Contribs.org staff did in the past.

And I hope some day Jeff and Rus will disclose some information about the deal between Jeff and Lycoris.

Now back to work.

Cheers,
Nuno Gomes
Nuno Rafael Gomes
Learning everyday from everyday problems...

joseph

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2004, 11:08:55 PM »
Hi,

[Another introduction]

I'm Joseph Cheek, the CEO of Lycoris.  I was the one who, on the Lycoris side, had the final yea/nay say to the question "should Lycoris involve itself with contribs.org and the SME server?"  As you can tell, that answer was affirmative 8-).

I'll be popping in and out, although you probably won't hear as much from me as you will from people like Mike, Rus, Robbie, Larry, and so on.

Since I'm here, I'll answer a couple of questions:

Quote from: "dmay"
It is somewhat confusing at this point where the Lycoris team wants community development discussions to take place. You have opened discussions on this forum. You have opened discussions on the developers mailing list. You have opened discussions and directed people to visit the Lycoris greenhouse at lycoris.org. You have directed people to directly e-mail Lycoris staff.

Please clarify a single location where Lycoris wants SME Server community development discussions to occur.


Technical questions about packages, upgrades, or any other software issues should probably be made on the development list.  Questions such as "how does Lycoris' involvement with with contribs.org and the SME server affect the product in general, or this community?" can best be handled here in the forums.

I can tell you all a little about the nature of the deal between Lycoris and RSI.  When we were looking at your product and your community, we thought both might be a good fit for Lycoris.  We are very community-oriented and we also have a strong desire to enhance our product line.  So both were appealing, but the question arose of how to get involved.  We saw that there were requests for some type of Linux organization to get involved and provide leadership, and we thought we could fit the bill nicely.

As a corporation, the standard thing to do in this case is perform either an acquisition or a merger.  Neither really made sense in this case, since contribs.org isn't a company, and we want to join your community and help extend the product, not just say "we bought you, now we own you".  That didn't seem right.

So we made a compromise.  The closest thing to any corporate sponsorhip of contribs.org and the SME server was Jeff and RSI, so we approached him.  We told him we wanted to provide leadership and direction for SME server, keep the contribs.org community, and also turn SME server into a product that Lycoris could sell.  Of course we could have taken the code under the GPL and just made our own product, but that wouldn't have been a community-oriented thing to do.  

Jeff at RSI and we at Lycoris entered into a deal where Lycoris would give commercial sponsorship to the existing product and the existing community.  He would help show us the ropes, making sure that we knew how to both handle the product technically as well as ensure we didn't violate the trust that the community had already placed in RSI, Mitel, e-smith, and others in the past.  We would in turn devote development, marketing, and sales resources to SME server, and try to make the contribs.org community feel like a welcome part of the Lycoris family.

If everything worked like we planned, Lycoris would have a great product, make money [which of course we need to do], enable our resellers and partners to make money, and help the many people and customers out there have a great and inexpensive server product that they could deploy with confidence.  Additionally, we could do this without violating or alienating the existing contribs.org community and people who had already deployed SME servers.

At this point we are putting heavy development resources into SME server and expect to have a release soon that includes updated security fixes, suggestions from the community, and the ability to have the necessary commercially-backed support that is vital for corporate deployments.  With the help from Jeff, RequestedDeletion, and all of you in the community, we believe we can pull this off.

Thanks!

Joe

Offline kmccarn

  • ****
  • 112
  • +0/-0
Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2004, 12:48:49 AM »
Here's my tuppence....

I liked Lycoris when it came on the PC I ordered from Wal-Mart. (couldn't keep it though - system is a server now)

I am very happy and excited about the involvment of Lycoris and will do anything I can to help.

I am preparing to roll out 9 or 10 servers nationwide to replace my aging Cobalt Qubes. ( a project to port that to RH9 didn't work nearly as well as the SME)

I'll wait if the comercial version will likely be out before New Year.

Welcome to the Lycoris Team.
Kevin in WV 8-)......

Offline ngomes

  • ****
  • 129
  • +0/-0
Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2004, 01:03:47 AM »
Hi Joseph,

Very much appreciated your presentation and the important information you gave to the community.

Just to keep all “tuned” please also read the following post on devinfo (thanks Jeff):
http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/devinfo/msg06997.html

Cheers,
Nuno Gomes
Nuno Rafael Gomes
Learning everyday from everyday problems...

joseph

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2004, 01:50:57 AM »
Quote from: "kmccarn"
Here's my tuppence....

I liked Lycoris when it came on the PC I ordered from Wal-Mart. (couldn't keep it though - system is a server now)

I am very happy and excited about the involvment of Lycoris and will do anything I can to help.

...

I'll wait if the comercial version will likely be out before New Year.


So glad you liked it!

Our initial release should be before the end of the year, yes.  That reminds me, I need to ask Monkey for a status report 8-).

Quote from: "ngomes"
Very much appreciated your presentation and the important information you gave to the community.

Just to keep all “tuned” please also read the following post on devinfo (thanks Jeff):
http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/devinfo/msg06997.html


Thanks for that, it was a good read.  I'm on devinfo now, so I'll be able to respond to those posts as well.

Offline Boris

  • *
  • 783
  • +0/-0
Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2004, 08:08:31 AM »
Greeting ALL!
I have been using e-smith/SME server since version 3.1, deploying it since version 4.x and actively helping new users in the forums since about version 5.x. At all the time I’ve been reading all the forums, mail list archives, documents posted and testing/deploying most of the add-ons released. I think that I can summarize some of the community disappointments and hopes. As for many of readers recent announcement was shocking surprise for me, but follow-ups by RSI and Lycoris team, took some of the worries away.

First, I agree with Jeff that only few days of discussion with Lycoris team about their plans and intentions, gave more info and reassurance to community in the future of the SME server that Mitel or even JC himself ever did (friendly critics, not to start flaming war). Please keep it that way. It is important feeling for the community.

Second, just one of most raised requests (and concerns) on the forums for a long time was the add-ons/patches management. Mitel at one point in time, have promised to make “blades” mechanism available for official/commercial, supported/free and unsupported/provided by contributors add-ons. That never made into community/development release.
There are few different efforts now to do similar thing (with YUM for example), but they are not perfect and packages conflict between implementations.
Along with obvious core distribution upgrade, package management (install, update, uninstall) from the single well tested and sorted by versions source would be very valuable help.
A lot of testing, and compatibility confirmation of packages, can be done by community, but strong leadership to organize this required.

As for add-ons that should be include to the base distribution, there were attempts to poll the most popular ones and idea died just as many other initiatives.
I would like to see base as it is (ok, maybe with system monitor, and user-panel related add-ons) and all other packages as easy installable by selecting from online list. For myself I’ve made custom CDROM with most used add-ons and add or uninstall as needed latter.

Boris.
...

bobk

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2004, 06:06:34 PM »
Greetings Lycoris folks,

I have been deploying and administering SME servers since version 4. I think the base distribution installation should be just what the name says Small & Medium Enterprise Server. It should be simple, secure and easy to administer. Improving security, administration, control and server monitoring should be the priorities for the base distribution. Addition software and functionality should be left to the community to develop and users to decide whether to install or not.

As an example, there are some contribs I install or modifications I make to every SME server I deploy. Listed below in no particular order of priority. I think these should be highly considered for addition to the next release.

1. LAT (Lazy Administrator Tools)
2. User Panel
3. CtrlAltDel Shutdown
4. Advanced Workgroup Samba Control
5. Email Double Bounce elimination
6. Update System or some other updating method (Yum plus an official update repository would be a good start)
7. Reinstate the console Internet test function
8. Default 'abuse' & 'anonymous' email pseudonyms for admin

The following contribs would be nice to have as part of the base distribution.
1. DHCP Lease Management
2. Masq Manager Panel
3. SM Panel Navigation Manager
4. System Monitor
5. Better Backup function (Backuppc - with a SM Panel for config and control)

The following additional functionality or something similar should be included with the distribution but be optional at installation time perhaps on a second CD.

1. Anti Virus (CLAM)
2. email Attachment Pattern Matching
3. Secure Mail
4. LDAP Contacts
5. Better printer functionallity (CUPS)
6. Network fax server (HylaFax)
7. AWStats

All of the above can be located at contris.org.

Maybe this is a little long but you did ask for ideas, suggestions and or opinions.

bobk

Michiel

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2004, 09:03:19 PM »
Quote from: "Rus"
One person asked why we have a 45 day Evaluation Edition of Desktop/LX.  That's simple.


I must be getting blind 8-) Where can I download this evaluation edition? I just can't find it on the Lycoris site...

Michiel

monkey

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2004, 09:56:48 PM »
http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/redmond-linux/iso/

Thats just one of the mirror sites that are listed in the "downloads" section of the www.lycoris.org web site.

It is Update3, so you may wish to wait till we release the eval version of 1.4

guest22

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2004, 10:01:09 PM »
Hi all,

A 'Community Wish list' will be created on the wiki. It's really worth the effort!

Please allow us a day or so to set this up and you can go 'crazy' ;-)

Once the page(s) are in place a follow up will be posted.

(current listings it this thread will be incorporated)

Thanks for your coorporation and help!

RequestedDeletion

RonM

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2004, 08:41:01 AM »
The Wish List is here:
http://no.longer.valid/phpwiki/index.php/Wish%20List

Please feel free!

Hmmm, what should I wish for? A web site that is red-headed - er, ah, easily read - and active, attractive, and true ;-)

Offline psc

  • *
  • 151
  • +0/-0
Wish List
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2004, 11:55:20 AM »
Hi,

first of all, i hope the "stormy" travel from SME ends now at Lycoris. Thanks to the "old" contribs.org team for all the work.

Now a few "wish list" points:
- openvpn
- patched kernel, so ppptd works again.

Peter Schubert
First, solve the problem. Then, write the code.

guest22

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2004, 12:28:17 PM »
Kind reminder ;-)

ONLY wishes entered on the 'wish list' are noticed...

http://no.longer.valid/phpwiki/index.php/Wish%20List

So if you have a real motivated wish, please enter it on that page WITH your motivation. EVERYBODY from 'newbie' to 'die-hard' developer is invited to add to the list. That would make a nice central repository of wishes to work from. Don't you think so?

There is a new post in this 'General Discussion' forum where you can share thoughts about your wishes, and see if others feel the same or if you want to make sure it's a 'good' wish ;-).

Please visit the below forum post:
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=24358.msg97516#msg97516


Thanks for your help,
RequestedDeletion

mbachmann

Lycoris to take over contribs.org
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2004, 10:36:02 AM »
I did and added mine and Peter Schubert's wishes to the list.

<snip>
<snap>