Topic: SME Server ( Clone ? )

[Janm]

Hej
I have used the free edition for a cupple of month
now and i must say its realy perfect and Moses have
helped alot with anything i asked about the best thing i ever seen is the function to make a complete backup of the running server as a Iso file everything is build in if you have a problem then you just put the latest iso in a new server and then you are up an running after 20 min i hope Moses wil join the contrib community with all his skills.
This is not a comercial for Moses just some info to other peaple here i know they want some info.
Regards from Jan

[MSmith]

Only six users allowed and no way to download the iso (coming Real Soon Now).

[u27g8mdm]

I emailed Moses today.  The community edition page is back. - http://kirux.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=105

He's in the process of getitng a mirror site for the ISO.

Moses had claimed that this community edition will be out in the begining of August, then mid august then end of august because they are "securing mirror sites". After you have replied to my post, it then disappeared completely along with any reference to the SME Server or Contribs until jjcuk's post.

Have you asked him why he removed all the references to SME Server ? Will this happen again once he believes that everything has "quieten" down ?

However no one is questioning his or his developers' programming skill. Again, the question becomes whether he can be trusted.

[u27g8mdm]

Only six users allowed and no way to download the iso (coming Real Soon Now).

Initially it was one domain and unlimited users. then it was one domain and 50 users. Finally it was one domain and 25 users.

Now we have one domain and 6 users.

[Janm]

Hej everybody who read this
After my last post there has been a lot of ip addresses trying to hack my own server so i think thats why Moses secure the server where he has the ISO
Last time i put a Iso up for download at my server to help the comunety i also got a lot of these attacks dont know why peaple do that but they must have a reason for it.
Moses say to me that he is getting the Iso on when he has everything in place for it and belive me its worth waiting for there has been a lot of improvement
sorry if i affend any one with this statement but you want info and this is the only way i can give it.
Hope not anyone is been mad becaurse i writing this
Regards to you all from Jan in Denmark
ps/Sorry if i dont spell right i am old

[gbaird]

I think he was beat Take a look at the link below
and click on the server-manager links

http://www.linuxon.com/panel.htm

Looks like Sme doesn't it

99 bucks and no limits

[matsk]

I think he was beat Take a look at the link below
and click on the server-manager links

http://www.linuxon.com/panel.htm

Looks like Sme doesn't it

99 bucks and no limits

Even the pictures on are taken http://www.linuxon.com/faq.htm is taken from Greg Swallow's manual at http://smeserver.sourceforge.net/sme70/Manual.

Funny Either Mitel or Contribs are mentioned at the web site from what I can see.

/M

[deunan]

Maybe once the elections are over, we get our elected candidates to, maybe form a legal comittee watch-dog or something whose sole task would be to go after these jokers.

Even I who only contributed 0.000000000001 % into SME am fuming and I am sure the rest of the SME gurus on this forum who've contributed alot more are probably faring alot worse...


Sincere regards..

[RonM]

Maybe once the elections are over, we get our elected candidates to, maybe form a legal comittee watch-dog or something whose sole task would be to go after these jokers.

This is one of the duties of the Business Agent. It's in the Constitution, about half-way down. A search on 'compliance' will take you right there.
http://no.longer.valid/phpwiki/index.php/CommunityConstitution

That said, it is possible to adhere to the letter of the GPL and still not behave in a way that seems fair and just to us regular folks (like public acknowlegement of provenance). It can sometimes take a lot of work to try and figure out exactly what is going on. Even if the GPL is not being observed, it is almost always going to be better to try and work things out amicably.

[ergozd]

Feedback on Kirux Kuadra
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20051031#feedback

Several readers have expressed outrage at our inclusion of Kirux Kuadra Enterprise Server on the waiting list of distributions to be included on DistroWatch. Apparently, the developers of SME Server believe that the Kirux Kuadra project is breaking the General Public License (GPL) by using the SME Server code base for creating a commercial product without releasing the source code of their modifications. While we do sympathise with the developers of SME Server, we also believe that their concerns should be directed to the relevant authorities dealing with GPL violations, such as the appropriately named GPL Violations [ http://gpl-violations.org/ ] web site, rather than to DistroWatch. As a side note, it seems that a community edition of Kirux Kuadra Enterprise Server has now been released for free download and is currently available from Ibiblio.org's incoming directory here: kes-community.iso [ ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/Incoming/kes-community.iso(620MB) ]

[gregswallow]

Maybe once the elections are over, we get our elected candidates to, maybe form a legal comittee watch-dog or something whose sole task would be to go after these jokers.

I was surprised to find out that one of "these jokers" you speak of is running for the Business Agent position here on contribs.org!!!  
Constantine Stathopoulos also goes by the name Dean Stathos, president of liunuxon.com

If you have comments to him, direct them here, as I have done:
http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=29341.0

[kiruxadmin]

I have been watching the community forums with anxiety, frustration, astonishment and even at times, levity. This is not to say that the issues and  comments surrounding the Kuadra ES are taken light heartedly by Kirux Technology Solutions and its team. The observation of licenses is always priority number 1 when we begin a new project. I am sadden to
say that I believe that this statement will fall on ears of those who have already made up their minds. However, after seeing the frenzy and even enduring some slight attacks on our site and network I felt it time to release a proper response. Hopefully, by the end of this document most of you will have your concerns answered or addressed.

First and foremost, The Kuadra ES is NOT a clone of SME server. There were elements of the SME server were used as template. For the sake of an example these elements were used as “defaults,” and then subsequently enhanced, completely changed or entirely replaced by Kirux. In fact, the Kuadra ES is in no way compatible with SME server. I will say this
again, The Kuadra ES or part thereof is not compatible with any version of SME server. Aside from operating differently and being Enterprise grade, the Kuadra ES also supports modern hardware mplementation and a slew of other things unsupported by SME. In any case, all the SME components are included under the GPL in every version of the Kuadra.

I think it is prudent to address the GPL concerns  next.


All the GPL source material which the Kirux Team modified and enhanced are included within every version of the Kuadra ES with the all the copyrights intact. The specific operations that make the Kuadra ES the unique work of the Kirux Technology team resides outside GPL.

One of these enhancements, which I will share here, is the operating environment of the Kuada ES. The Kuadra ES is a synergistic system that
cannot be sectioned off into several pieces for individuals to use on another system. In reality, there is nothing really to share as none of
the system is compatible with anything else, or is capable of running without the Kuadra ES structure remaining intact.

Furthermore, and most IMPORTANTLY, I do provide source code to GPL components to everyone. If anyone wants to download a community copy of
the Kuadra ES , they are more than welcome to. I also wanted to add, that the “similarities” which community members have found in our features .pdf are in fact just that similarities. To be quite frank, the look and feel might seem the similar, but the functionality and the capabilities are quite different.

I feel confident that once users try the community version everyone will see not only how different and integrated the Kuadra ES is but that we
have respected the GPL and it can verify that all the copyrights are intact. If you have any questions email me directly at modria@kirux.net. The link to our community edition and documentation can be found at our site, www.kirux.net

Respectfully yours,

Moses

[gregswallow]

Moses had sent me a copy of an earlier version of his community edition.  It is very different from SME Server in many ways, most notably the installer.  There is a .img file on the CD, which is basically a tar.gz file of the entire filesystem, which is extracted to the hard drive during the install process.  He has told me that the entire contents of the .IMG file in the new Community Edition ISO is GPL.  

I look forward to trying the new version Moses, and if I have any comments, I'll post them in the forums on your website.  Thanks.

[Jessica22]

I see at last the ISO is available as a torrent link now, shame it's a very restrictive version.
Makes it hard to justify the price to a company when the free version is so crippled..
Maybe a full version that expired would have been a better idea, to get a better feel.

[versa]

I downloaded a copy of this to try out, and I must say it looks very good so far, I have not played with it fully yet just in server mode on a slow bucket:-D . I was expecting one or two other things on it like Asterisk's and some bandwidth management. Webmail looks good. It took quite a bit of bandwidth to download on my home dsl via the torrent , it would be nice if it allowed more users. I hope sme7 will be out soon and a few contribs to go with it.