Topic: Mail and blacklists - hidden problem

[alienjones]

It wan't until my SME 7.0 tried to send a bounce message to my mail account with godaddy that I discovered some really nasty behaviour in the way this version intercepts mail and handles it rather than letting the mail client decide on the sending server to use.

The cable node to which I'm connected is black banned due to spam (not from me - 255 other possibles). I just tried to send a message with my newly updated SME using Windows Outlook Express. I set the outgoing mail server as that of my ISP only to discover SME intercepts all outgoing mail (regardless of which outgoing server is used) and attempts to send it instead of letting it go to the remote mail server. My ISP refuses mail from me too!

In a perfect world this might sound a neat feature but here we have the situation that if I continue to use SME, I have to use yahoo or a similar service to process my mail because someone on my node got it black listed and I can't find any way to alter SME's mail handling method.

Anyone got a suggestion or theree please?

[raem]

alienjones

You need to set the ISP's mail server in the Email panel in server manager.
I suggest you read the manual too !

[alienjones]

It's all very well to tell someone to read the manual. I am an Experienced user of Esmith and it's later derivatives. I read manuals before asking for help. There are far too many people on the 'net willing to jump into chastising others with inappropiate comments like yours, that asking for help is getting to be a total waste of time when the replies from people like you are all about ridicule and chasitsation, instead of advice.

You can only insert an IP address, not a CNAME as the bypass destination for an alternative mail server. The IP address of mail servers of my ISP (and most in larger ISPs) are often in different states and may number in the hundreds. The only logical description for identifying a mail server when a few hundred machines on different IPs could be validly be described as the "mail server" is by CNAME resolution and SME 7.0 does not allow this to happen.

Now if you can offer some advice instead of crititicism, I would apreciate it.
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You need to set the ISP's mail server in the Email panel in server manager.
I suggest you read the manual too ![/quote]

[Teviot]

alienjones Posted: 23 Aug 2006 17:11    Post subject: Re: Mail and blacklists - hidden problem

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It's all very well to tell someone to read the manual. I am an Experienced user of Esmith and it's later derivatives. I read manuals before asking for help. There are far too many people on the 'net willing to jump into chastising others with inappropiate comments like yours, that asking for help is getting to be a total waste of time when the replies from people like you are all about ridicule and chasitsation, instead of advice.
 
 

Ray Mitchell

This is what I was talking about several months ago.  The differance with me was I not experianced and I am learning linux.  I do searches and then ask if i can't find a solution.

Do everyone a favor!!!

Thank you alienjones for your post

Teviot

[raem]

alienjones

I looked up a few dictionary word meanings

suggest
To offer for consideration or action; propose:

ridicule
Words or actions intended to evoke contemptuous laughter at or feelings toward a person or thing

chastise
To criticize severely; rebuke

So if I substitute the meaning of "suggest" in my original comment we get:

I offer for consideration or action and propose that you read the manual too !


Is the heat getting to you up there in Brisbane ?
I see no contempt, laughter, criticism or rebuke in that statement.

What I see (which you apparently don't) is simple advice to read the manual as it seems that you do not know about the required setting that will solve your problem.

You made no mention of having entered a mail server address in the Email panel, you mentioned everywhere else except that. So that leads me to conclude that you need to read the manual to learn about these settings.

Then you had the hide to chastise me for not giving you advice, when in fact I did advise you the exact and precise answer that you needed to solve your problem.

What do you think this means ???
"You need to set the ISP's mail server in the Email panel in server manager."

When I go to the Email panel in sme7 I clearly and very easily see the setting for
Address of Internet provider's mail server
which says:
If using your Internet provider's SMTP server, specify its hostname or IP address below.

and I CAN enter mail.myisp.com for example


> You can only insert an IP address, not a CNAME as the bypass
> destination for an alternative mail server.
> ...."mail server" is by CNAME resolution and SME 7.0 does not allow this to happen.


Your comment shows you didn't even bother to read my advice carefully, you are talking about the Delegate mail server, I was clearly referring to the ISP's mail server. You are looking at the "Address of internal mail server" setting which does require an IP.

I am going to make another suggestion.
Learn to read posts more carefully and learn to read the fields in server manager more carefully. If you did so then you may have more success using sme server, and not need to take out your anger and frustration out on a well meaning forum poster.
Learn to keep your rude & abusive comments to yourself too !

I'm waiting for your apology. Let's see if you "have the guts" to apologise in this open forum.

[raem]

teviot

> Thank you alienjones for your post

That content of his post has been proven to be incorrect & does not merit thanks.

[JonB]

alienjones,

To send email directly from you mail client to your ISP all you need to do is disable the SMTP proxy.

It is under Security / Proxy Settings in the Server Manager.

The SMTP proxy is enabled by default as a safeguard against Virus or spam sending Trojans on PC's that may be infected on your network.

If however you want to send via the SME7 SMTP server then you set up your ISP's SMTP server in the Server Manager under Configuration - Email - Change Delivery Settings

You do not fill in the Address of Internal mail server. That only takes an IP address and is only for delegating mail to another mail server on your internal network.

Fill in the 'Address of Internet providers mail server'. This can be host name e.g smtp.isp.com or IP address

Fill in the rest, it fairly obvious what is needed.

Jon

[alienjones]

SO whilst you were trying to justify telling me the read the manual (which I had already done), I found the solution.

It has nothing to do with setting server names or IP addressess in the Email configuration. SME 7 has a 'feature' enabled by default which is supposed to be a security measure to arrest virus riddled messages from internal users escaping into the wild.

It's SMTP PROXY and when you disable it, you can send mail directly to a defined smtp server on the Internet.

Why it is jokers who have no idea of the answer to a question insist on posting irrelevant remarks intended to insult other people is beyond my comprehension. Why do you do it? It's a very nasty and wasteful practice you should stop using.

[raem]

alienjones

Your claims about my knowledge are false. If you searched these forums you would see that I am well aware of the smtp proxy & have told other enquirers about disabling it on a number of occasions.
Your enquiry seemed to relate to the ISP mail server setting which you did not appear to know about.
Based on your questions and statements my advice to you was quite appropriate as the smtp proxy setting did not seem to be your issue. You did not explain yourself very well.

It should not be necessary for you to send directly to your ISP from your workstations, you have only reduced the security of your whole system by doing so. It's not just annoying viruses that can spread directly to the Internet if you disable the smtp proxy, a key logger trojan can easily send all your passwords etc to external smtp servers. I'd seriously think twice about disabling smtp proxy. Putting the ISP's mail server address in the Email panel is a much better way of sending the mail out.