Topic: [ALERT] -- Several languages will be removed from the SME server!

[Normando]

As you read, some languages will be removed from SME if not finish the translation work. It's a real shame to have so much time working to achieve an effective management system of languages online, and do not see progress in the use of it.

Some languages have very little work to be completed and others are 100% uncomplete. The ironic is that these languages were added by requests at the bug tracker!

The languages which will be removed if they are not translated are:

Slovenian, Indonesian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Japanese and Greek

If you can translate one of these languages, please do so now! If you know who is the translator responsible for some of these languages, please call or tell him to complete the translation.

Very little translation work is necessary. At the moment it is only necessary to translate the base panels of the SME. There is no need to translate the console of the SME

There are still a few days to complete the translation work. If you want to help, you can do registering at Pootle and requesting access as language responsible translator as explained at http://wiki.contribs.org/Translations.

Please do not lose the opportunity to include these languages in the next release of SME 7.4

[misnerspace]

Hi All, we have only just opened Japanese on Pootle about  3 days ago. I have a team of students waiting to translate from this week onwards. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity as the Japanese market could be very big for SME. It will take some time to do everything but we have students who are willing to do it. It may only take 3 months but I think it will take about 6-8 as they have their school work to do!

thanks

[stephen noble]

Why the hurry,  Is there overhead in processing the pootle data, do you only want to release complete translations.

if it's overhead, then process the data less frequently
if you need fully complete sets only release those

Slovianian hasn't had any work done since the pootle system was introduced
Bulgarian, Turkish have not had much done, so there is an argument for these to be dropped or archived

Greek, Hungarian & Indonesian are coming along
and Japanese is only new, these should be kept

[MAuVE]

Greek will be finalized within this week

[MAuVE]

Some help please:

From /SME Server Panels/backup.po
Entry #142
"You must before execute Workstation backup configuration option"

What is the meaning of this phrase ?

Possibly:

Before executing Workstation back-up you must invoke the configuration option

or

Before invoking the configuration option you must execute a Workstation backup

[Normando]

Yes, it is a confused phrase.

I have the same dude. I don't know if this is gramatically correct.

[tacsaby]

Hello! Please don't remove hungarian translation yet! I've spent a lot of time for it! Now I'm hardly working on it to finish in time! About 1 week and the process is ended!

THX

[janet]

MAuVE

From /SME Server Panels/backup.po
Entry #142
"You must before execute Workstation backup configuration option"

I think it may mean:

Before running a workstation backup you must configure the options.

Please advise the path location of the file and I'll take a further look at it.
Do you know where & when that phrase is used, so I can look at the meaning in context ?

[stephen noble]

http://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4669

[tacsaby]

Hi!

SME hungarian translation finished! I'm looking forward the next release of SME in my language! 

Have a nice day for all!

[stephen noble]

Three cheers for
MAuVE and tacsaby !!!

We can create updated smeserver-locale-el & hu rpms
they will be in smetest or maybe smeupdates-testing in a few days

[MAuVE]

Same over here.

The Greek translation is done.

Unfortunately, I suspect that the new(?) version was aired an hour ago.

My SME became English again after some months being partially Greek, partially English and I am currently trying to pinpoint the cause for which DNS resolving stopped altogether.

EDITED: It seems that the browser somehow turned into English locale, that's why I got back to English and DNS resolving started again after a reset.

[Stefano]

Three cheers for
MAuVE and tacsaby !!!

We can create updated smeserver-locale-el & hu rpms
they will be in smetest or maybe smeupdates-testing in a few days

please, create also a smeserver-locale-it.. I've corrected a minor problem this afternoon

TIA
Stefano

[tacsaby]

Hi!

Now, hungarian translation of SME server panels are done, but how can i test my work? Is there any way to apply the localisation on a working system? What is the way to do it? 

[Normando]

Hi!

Now, hungarian translation of SME server panels are done, but how can i test my work? Is there any way to apply the localisation on a working system? What is the way to do it? 

Thanks for the translations

May be you want to make your translations consistent. To acomplish this follow these instructions:
http://wiki.contribs.org/Translations#Checks_before_finish_your_work

For test the translations you can follow thiese:
http://wiki.contribs.org/Translations#Pootle_for_developers

So, you can make the new rpms, or wait for a developer who patched and create the new localization rpm.

When you see at http://translate.contribs.org/patches/ the file smeserver-locale-x.x.x-locale-xxxx-xx-xx.patch has 0 bytes, this mean the you have a new local rpm at smeupdates-testing repository.

Meanwhile you can test the currently locale rpms.

do:

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yum update --enablerepo=smeupdates-testing smeserver-locale-*
Of course then do:

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signal-event post-upgrade
signal-event reboot

[bpados]

Hello! Please don't remove hungarian translation yet! I've spent a lot of time for it! Now I'm hardly working on it to finish in time! About 1 week and the process is ended!

THX

As much as my time allows i should be able to help you with Hungarian translation. Let me know how I can help?

Szevasztok.

Bela.

[e[nt]e]

As much as my time allows i should be able to help you with Hungarian translation. Let me know how I can help?

Szevasztok.

Bela.

Register at http://translate.contribs.org/. You will then be able to login and suggest translations. That means these suggestions won't be applied but need someone who reviews and accepts them. For Hungarian that is only tacsaby at the moment. So when you want to translate directly please follow the instructions found in the wiki:
http://wiki.contribs.org/Translations#Pootle_for_translators

Regards,
Niklas

[tacsaby]

Hi!

I've recently installed an SME system. I'm noticed that, after updating, the server manager turned into a semi-hungarian-translated state. It's so sticky. Every hungarian SME server turns into same state? Some items are translated, some not. Hungarian translation are 100% ready. Would somebody update the hungarian locale rpm in SME repositories with the new translation? It would be nice, if next update fix this problem. 

[Normando]

For test the last updates before they are released do:

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yum update --enablerepo=smeupdates-testing smeserver-locale-*
signal-event post-upgrade
signal-event reboot

[MAuVE]

I tested the new Greek locale.

I found out that some chunks of text still appear untranslated.

I went to poodle to find-out that new content had been added in emailsettings.po and backup.po.

I will translate the additional entries.

Apparently, poodle is not updated:

a) The button in the Collaboration/Groups entitled "Add Group" appears in Greek as "CLICK_TO_CREATE"

b) The bulk of Security/User remote access remains untranslated while poodle shows  remoteaccess.po as 100% finished.

c) "Domains" remains still in English although translated.

Please confirm that poodle depicts latest programme status, so that I can run a full check of the Greek translation

[Normando]

Yes Mauve, me too. I have some words untranslated at my server-manager, but in Pootle are all 100% translated. I hva no time today, but I will report a bug about this issue.
Are you updated your locale rpms from smeupdates-testing repo?

[tacsaby]

I've noticed similar problems in hungarian translation like MAuVE 

[Normando]

Please Mauve and tacsaby, report a bug

[cactus]

Yes Mauve, me too. I have some words untranslated at my server-manager, but in Pootle are all 100% translated. I hva no time today, but I will report a bug about this issue.
Are you updated your locale rpms from smeupdates-testing repo?

The latest releases with all translations (excluding the ones in tha waiting patches) should be in smeupdates-testing. You can install them on your test server like this:

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yum update smeserver-locale* --enablerepo=smeupdates-testingPlease only do this on test machines and not on production servers.

[MAuVE]

What I referred to as "additional" entries proved to be existing entries marked-up as fuzzy for reviewing.

Thanks to the person that made those annotations, I corrected some obvious errors* but failed to see the reasoning for others.

If he or she is reading this, please give some more explanation regarding the latter.

Now poodle shows again 100% finished.

When this version is made availalable to the smeupdates-testing repository I will check what was fixed and what remains to be.

I will open a bug ticket for anything it seems not normal to me.

(*) In Greek, like in French, we have genders i.e: male, female and neutral

When translating sectioned and artificially composed sentences it is very easy to mix the genders.

Example:
Allow access: a) private b) public c) disabled (here disabled should take it's female form, because it follows access which is female)

but:
User account: a) disabled should be in it's male form because account is male

and last:
Protocol: a) disabled -> neutral

I will circumvent this problem of multiple use in different genders by juxtaposing all 3 suffixes to words, like disabled, that are used in many ocassions.

[e[nt]e]

When this version is made availalable to the smeupdates-testing repository I will check what was fixed and what remains to be.

I will open a bug ticket for anything it seems not normal to me.

I've seen you've done so already. Next time please post the link to the bug here as a reference.
http://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4759

Currently there is version 2.0.0-10 of the 7th November in the smeupdates-testing repo. So if you you updated from there to test the translations you wouldn't have the actual version installed as that one's not released to the repos yet. May be that the problem is fixed with the next version released and then this would be just needless, but there's no offence taken and I appreciate your efforts and that you opened a bug for this.

(*) In Greek, like in French, we have genders i.e: male, female and neutral

When translating sectioned and artificially composed sentences it is very easy to mix the genders.

Example:
Allow access: a) private b) public c) disabled (here disabled should take it's female form, because it follows access which is female)

but:
User account: a) disabled should be in it's male form because account is male

and last:
Protocol: a) disabled -> neutral

I will circumvent this problem of multiple use in different genders by juxtaposing all 3 suffixes to words, like disabled, that are used in many ocassions.

That got nothing to do with the problem mentioned before, does it? If so please clarify what you're talking about. For me that seem to be just translation problems which would need to be discussed elsewhere, but not in this thread I'd say.

Regards,
Niklas

[MAuVE]

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That got nothing to do with the problem mentioned before, does it? If so please clarify what you're talking about. For me that seem to be just translation problems which would need to be discussed elsewhere, but not in this thread I'd say.

Regards,
Niklas

It is only very-very remotely related. I will explain myself:

When writing code to be translated into languages other then English, it's a good practice to "match text pairs".

As per my example a universal "disabled" can't fit all bills and ideally there should be a different "disabled" for "Allow access", "User account" etc.

If this is the right place to mention this or not, I do not know, but I know that someone tried the Greek translation and didn't like what he/she read because of this. 

[cactus]

If this is the right place to mention this or not, I do not know, but I know that someone tried the Greek translation and didn't like what he/she read because of this.

No this should be reported in the bugtracker so we can deside if we are to do anyhting about it, which I doubt as it will make maintaining translations complicated like it was before.
The best suggestion IMHO is to make translations as general as possible, like suggested in an earlier post in this thread.

[Normando]

For test the last updates before they are released do:

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yum update --enablerepo=smeupdates-testing smeserver-locale-*
signal-event post-upgrade
signal-event reboot

Me wrong! Sorry guys.

For test the last translations you must check under testing server, and shoul be SME7.4, NOT 7.3!

[MAuVE]

Where is the following residing so I can have it translated ?

"Warning: a reboot is required before proceeding! Failure to reboot now may leave your system in an unknown state!"

[cactus]

Where is the following residing so I can have it translated ?

"Warning: a reboot is required before proceeding! Failure to reboot now may leave your system in an unknown state!"

Where did you see it? Is it a server-manager panel or one of the admin console files? If so try and find and translate it through http://translate.contirbs.org .

If not we will probably need a bug and ask for this string to be localized.

[MAuVE]

Where did you see it?

It comes in red and framed when you do the software update.

[e[nt]e]

Where is the following residing so I can have it translated ?

"Warning: a reboot is required before proceeding! Failure to reboot now may leave your system in an unknown state!"

This is a known problem dealt with in that bug:
http://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156

[MAuVE]

Filed a bug report (No 4783) for the following:

Latest 7.4

In the Antivirus panel "Scan entire filesystem" remains untranslated.

In the Pootle panels ClamAV.po no matching entry is found.

Instead, there is a "Scan filesystem" entry (entire is missing) that apparently is not used.

PS:

Similar thing happens in the "Remote user access" page.

There are "Remote access" and "Change remote access settings" entries in Pootle ("user" is missing in both) that are not used.

[e[nt]e]

Similar thing happens in the "Remote user access" page.

There are "Remote access" and "Change remote access settings" entries in Pootle ("user" is missing in both) that are not used.

"Remote access" and "Change remote access settings" are from the remoteaccess.po and not from remoteuseraccess.po.
In the contribs panel (remoteuseraccess.po) the entries are "Change user remote access settings" and "User Remote Access". So nothing to worry about here. One is the original SME Server panel and one the panel for the smeserver-remoteuseraccess contrib.

[MAuVE]

Thanks e[nt]e for the clarification.

I added the remote user access contrib translation so that it doesn't stand out in my server's page.

If you indulge with me, please advise where I can find the "Current list of users" entry as it's not a part of remoteuseraccess.po, yet in the French translation it's already translated as "Liste des utilisateurs" ("current" is missing).
 

[cactus]

Thanks e[nt]e for the clarification.

I added the remote user access contrib translation so that it doesn't stand out in my server's page.

If you indulge with me, please advise where I can find the "Current list of users" entry as it's not a part of remoteuseraccess.po, yet in the French translation it's already translated as "Liste des utilisateurs" ("current" is missing).

Just hold on a few days. A lot of translations where done in the contribs as well, but they were not pushed because of dependencies that were waiting to be released as SME Server 7.4. I (or someone else) still need to review which updated contribs can be pushed.

[e[nt]e]

Just hold on a few days. A lot of translations where done in the contribs as well, but they were not pushed because of dependencies that were waiting to be released as SME Server 7.4. I (or someone else) still need to review which updated contribs can be pushed.

Thank you Jonathan, I didn't had a explanation for that problem, as I was a bit confused after looking in the .po files. In the German one for example is a string "Current list of users" whereas in the Greek on this string is missing.
What is needed to review the contribs? Can I, without programming skills and with little linux knowledge, help you with that?
But that's offtopic here, sorry, I will add you to my msn buddy list if you don't mind

Regards
Niklas

[cactus]

Thank you Jonathan, I didn't had a explanation for that problem, as I was a bit confused after looking in the .po files. In the German one for example is a string "Current list of users" whereas in the Greek on this string is missing.

I just had a look and all translation changes seem to be pushed already. So if you are missing stuff I suggest you raise bugs again.

What is needed to review the contribs? Can I, without programming skills and with little linux knowledge, help you with that?

You could always review them, but you need to know where to look and what to check. In this case I did most of the changes and I merely wanted to verify that if I were to push the packages that ll changes made were verified and tested.
You would have a hard time pushing the updates since you do not have access to that part of the system.