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Bugzilla is easy

Offline electroman00

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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2009, 05:06:38 AM »
Possibly what?

Possibly you didn't read beyond the word "Possibly"...!!

hth to clarify Possibly..!!

lol
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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2009, 09:06:33 AM »
Possibly you didn't read beyond the word "Possibly"...!!

hth to clarify Possibly..!!
No it does not, so please explain!

lol
I do not see the fun here and am tempted to warn you again. I get the opinion you are trying to ventilate some criticism or remark, but I am not going to interpret so you better be clear.
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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2009, 09:15:42 AM »
Johnathon you've just misinterpreted

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Possibly?

should have been

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Possibly we should add this to the wiki ?

Then the text to add followed

Thank you for the suggestions electroman00
Just add it , it looks fine

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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2009, 02:05:14 PM »
Just add it , it looks fine

Not to me. It encourages people to waste time gossiping about possible bugs here in the forum, rather than report all possible bugs in the bug tracker.

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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2009, 05:49:37 PM »
Not to me. It encourages people to waste time gossiping about possible bugs here in the forum, rather than report all possible bugs in the bug tracker.

I agree.  We are always encouraging people to post bugs for problems.

But as I said before  (in fact look at some of the forum posts) people say that they are "not sure this is a bug..." and then ask for advice.  I think most people don't want to accuse the program first (as the word bug implies) and they are sensitive to the developers' time.  Most people want to be sure its a bug before they post.  They don't understand that the bug tracker is an "issue tracker".  This may be why MS calls them "issues" in their KB.

In any case I agree that we should not have
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If you require assistance with figuring out whether an issue is indeed a bug, it's a good idea to post your questions / comments to the forums first and have others assist with verification and proper formatting for subsequent entry into the bug tracker.
in the wiki.  The developers are constantly fighting this very issue. Why encourage it?
  Also, this is why I encourage a different name like "issue" for the "bug" tracker OR at least, to record data consistently, create a template as Cactus is looking into.  The "issues" then convert to "bugs" as the developers see fit.

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Offline uniqsys

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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2009, 11:01:19 PM »
I spent some time today on the existing help section in Bugzilla.  Maybe this is sufficient.  Please look at
http://wiki.contribs.org/Bugzilla_Help#Reporting_Bugs

Thanks.
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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2009, 08:53:34 AM »
I spent some time today on the existing help section in Bugzilla.  Maybe this is sufficient.  Please look at
http://wiki.contribs.org/Bugzilla_Help#Reporting_Bugs
It might be, but if we can 'force' the user to enter this in a template I think we can improve the quality of bug reporting.
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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2009, 04:01:07 AM »
It might be, but if we can 'force' the user to enter this in a template I think we can improve the quality of bug reporting.

Can you redesign the bug report entry screen to add these fields and limit the existing "Description" to "Original Problem" or "steps to reproduce"?  That would be one way to "force" a user to enter this information in a consistent manner.
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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2009, 09:03:10 AM »
Can you redesign the bug report entry screen to add these fields and limit the existing "Description" to "Original Problem" or "steps to reproduce"?  That would be one way to "force" a user to enter this information in a consistent manner.
Yes you can, but I have not found the time to setup and start with it.
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Re: Bugzilla is easy
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2009, 04:43:44 PM »
I have to say that I don't find Bugzilla difficult at all nowdays, but some years ago when I was starting out (late 90's) I was a little intimidated by Bugzilla and similar tracking programs.

I think the main reason was that so much of its interface is still essentially text-based. We live in an age when computing is largely visual, and SME Server itself is a product that through its graphical server manager attempts to do away with text-based interfaces for most operations. The front page of the wiki has a bunch of icons and coloured text boxes. Even as I type this forum post there are a range of friendly buttons above the editing field to help me format text easily.

Thus Bugzilla can, in a certain sense, be seen as "arcane" or "hard" because its UI is a little dated. This is not a criticism of Bugzilla, becuase it's a perfectly acceptable system and is reasonably well laid out; rather, it's a comment on why I think some newer users react badly when seeing it.

I also agree with uniqsys that having pre-prepared fields for desired/required information is an improvement, because it would reduce the questions (and thus nervousness about Bugzilla) felt by new reporters as they are preparing their first bug.