Topic: SME has Competition ?? ClarkeConnect now = ClearOS

[cactus]

If you create a topic in the General Discussion forum, then that should be OK.
People are free to utilise or ignore your methods.

But still if you are going to make fundamental changes you should detail them in a bug report and not in the forums, code in the forums will not be implemented in future releases as this code will not even be considered.

Code in bugs in the bugtracker, might also not be included but is at least considerd. Arne please follow up to the many requests you have had and detail you solution in a bug instead of repeatedly keep referring to your method without supplying additional information.

[arne]

I think there is two different qustions that hve been mentioned, the one is how to run sme server under Vmware, together with the Smoothwall firewall, and the other is how to modify the firewall of the SME server itself.

To run SME server under Vmware together with the Soothwall firewall will of course not break any SME server design (??!!)

A SME server and a Smoothwall as two independent virtual installations will not conflict with each other in any way.

Maybe Shawnbishop will find the solution how to do this from the info allready posted.

[soprom]

A new thread should have been created indeed...

But indirectly, trying to bash on SME-Server brings one of its strenght! It is easy to install vmware and run vmachines on it.

[electroman00]

Since ClearOS is a part of the topic of this thread I have this question.

What makes ClearOS appear to be a more appealing community then SME??

[soprom]

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[CharlieBrady]

A community!

Fie!

[electroman00]

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http://www.clearfoundation.com/Community/Home.html

hth

[electroman00]

Fie!

Fie??

–interjection
1.    (used to express mild disgust, disapprobation, annoyance, etc.)
2.    (used to express the humorous pretense of being shocked.)

Not sure there's clearity in "Fie!", take your pick.

[soprom]

There is not much contributor space in ClearOS compared to SME.  A community is not  only a web site maintained to handle the promotion and forum.  A community more appealing then SME would be having a few contributors like contribs is full of.

I removed my comment since it was said to be distasfull but the question was about "community" and it means contributors.  Their contributions must be easily added to the menu system and survive updates.

[Elliott]

Since ClearOS is a part of the topic of this thread I have this question.

What makes ClearOS appear to be a more appealing community then SME??

I'll take a shot at this. Right now, their community is thin and responses are slow. The main reason as far as I can tell is because the Clark Connect people are still using the old forums. They are supposedly going to be migrating those into the ClearOS forums soon - or at least freezing the CC forums as they promote the upgrade from CC to the free ClearOS distro.

As far as contributors go, they are built into the framework for ClearOS but as if yet I don't see any actualy contributors tools. I am completely guessing on this, but I imagine it's the same thing. The contribs they have are in CC5.0 or 5.1 and will also start being ported over as the contributors themselves move towards the upgrade.

Another community out there that is currently somewhere between the happy days of SME's community and the newer days of ClearOS is the eBox-platform community. I've found that they are much more responsive than ClearOS at this point and their developers are much more likely to answer in a friendly tone and react to requests when they're not idiotic. Their bugtracker is also a bit less archaic than others I've participated in so that's a plus.

-E

[Stefano]

What makes ClearOS appear to be a more appealing community then SME??

<flaming on>
that you are not a part of their community?
</flaming off>

[soprom]

Woops... I did not read correctly.

It is written "What makes ClearOS appear "
and I understood "What WOULD make ClearOS appear "... bid ooops here from me!

Then I'm sorry for this reading problem of mine.  So, if the question was:

What WOULD make ClearOS appear to be a more appealing community then SME??

My comment would have been:

Code: [Select]

A community
Charlie, I'm sorry for making your heart stop and go!!!

[electroman00]

Soprom

I don't quite completely understand your comments, could you elaborate a little further.
I think I understand what your trying to convey.

Elliott

I understand your points, wasn't aware of eBox, looking at it quickly I guess I could pose the question in the same manor with eBox.

I guess a better question to poise is...
What separates and/or distinguishes SME from the rest of the pack and why are those projects forging new grounds.
Here's what baffles me as a member here for 5+ years, SME is a unique server platform like no other on this entire planet and yet it's growth is stagnant.
It should be the number one server plateform, it maintains something that no other server has, it's automated.
There is no other automated server available, Windows or Linux.

So the question then becomes, why hasn't it surpassed all the others?
Is it because it's to complicated and people don't understand it and the underlying value.

If we were taking about an automobile and we automate it to drive it'self down the road, certainly we would expect it to out sell all others.
Is that something we can't or shouldn't expect in this case, if so...then why?

hth

[cactus]

Is it because it's to complicated and people don't understand it and the underlying value.

No that is not the reason as lots of users start with it easily, AFAICT. Even though we do not make a big effort in advertising this product the installation base is over 18k instances (http://smolt.contribs.org/)

The real reason is that we have a small community with little resources. More time or a bigger development team could speed up the development, shorten the release cycle and place SME Server in front off the pack.

[Elliott]

I'd say lack of devs/dev funding...

Or lack of single driving entity to give a roadmap to development based on tech market trends as well as user based need.

Also marketing which ties into the funding issue.

My fear is that in the NOW, the lack of support for Win7 clients in the domain controller will drive some new clients as well as some longer standing clients away.

-E