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Anyone using a solid state HDD?

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Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« on: October 20, 2009, 11:29:05 PM »
I was wondering if anyone was using a solid state HDD for there SME/SAIL box? I am about to build a new box and I am swaying towards the following:

Travla C137 Black
Travla C137 Front Panel w/out CD and CF Slot (Black)
120W AC Adapter
VIA VB8001-16 Motherboard - 1.6GHz VIA Nano Processor
128GB 2.5" SATA Solid State Drive
DDR II 2GB
Dual Riser Card and Extender
Digium TDM404EF

Anyone care to comment on my spec? Do you use any of these components or know of any reason why I shouldn't? All feedback appreciated. Thanks.

Del
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 12:02:36 AM by del »
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 12:13:25 AM »
I seen this some time ago I dont know if it still applies, I never tried it.

http://sarkpbx.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocChapter2514
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 01:11:14 AM »
OK, I've just realized that the VIA VB8001-16 motherboard doesn't have dual LAN  :sad: So I am now considering the following motherboards:
EPIA SN18000G
EPIA-M700-15/EPIA-M700-10E
EPIA LT15000G/LT10000EG
EPIA PE10000G

Thanks,
Del
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 02:12:44 AM by del »
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 02:17:43 AM »
I remember Jeff mentioning some time back that they were building mini boxes using 2G CF cards to run the system, so I can't see the SSD being a problem..

I don't know that I'd want a busy mysql db running on one though, I expect something like that would drag down the drives life expectancy...

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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 02:41:07 PM »
I don't know that I'd want a busy mysql db running on one though, I expect something like that would drag down the drives life expectancy...
I am only going to use it for SAIL and Asterisk and Corsair are quoting 1,000,000 hours life expectancy for their SSD, (thta's over a 114 years!) so it would have to reduce the life expectancy by quite a lot to be a problem for my use ;)

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« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 02:58:44 PM by del »
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 07:22:29 PM »
Possybly slightly off topic .. but I have used astlinux on compactflash media for some years now, and there has never been a problem. Just run and run. Astlinux works in such a way that it copies all files into a ramdisk while booting, so there is no communication against the compact flash during ordinary operation.

http://www.astlinux.org/

By the way I am also using Asterisk on SME server, but standard Asterisk not Selintra (Because I prefere manual configuration for the Asterisk server.)

Positive about Astlinux: Very compact, effective and reliable. Fits very well into a solid state enviroment. A low power cold running installation with no physical moving parts runns for ever.

It can also be turned off and on likke a light bulb, as there is no mounted physical file systems.

Negative: Require some knowledge of text based configuration of the Asterisk server.

Just some ideas ..

By the way .. as my Astlinux installation has runned for years without a bug, I have not tested the newer versons of this distro with the new functions ..
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 07:26:28 PM by arne »
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 11:50:00 PM »
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seen this some time ago I dont know if it still applies, I never tried it

Yup - still works as advertised.   We build a lot of solid state units commercially.  We use 4Gb CFcards on SME7.3 (2Gig was a bit tight :)  ).

We've not tried solid state hard drives because they are still a bit expensive and the CFcards work just fine.   However, if you do fit SS drives then you should see no difference to running regular drives.

We stopped running VIA EPIA boards some time ago in favour of Intel Atom based units.

Best

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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 03:37:46 AM »
Hi Selintra,

What motherboard, with dual LAN, would you recommend for the Intel Atom? How much voicemail will a 4GB CF card hold? How about recording calls? Or is it possible to store the voicemail and recorded calls on an external USB drive? Storing these were my main reason to use a SSD, I admit I could save a substantial amount if I used a CF card instead  :smile:

Thanks,
Del
« Last Edit: October 22, 2009, 03:41:38 AM by del »
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2009, 04:02:14 AM »
I haven't seen any dual ethernet m/b's here in Aust yet for the Atom base.

I would think just for storage the SSD would be overkill..
Even so, if you are worried about space a 32G CF card can be had here for $140-$160 AUD.

Yeah, actually at that price the little extra for the same sized SSD seems more than worthwhile..

Just checked locally and can't see any mini-itx atom boards with dual ethernet.
(Whatever you get make sure its the 330 Atom and not the 230, the performance difference is huge).. ;-)


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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2009, 09:15:34 AM »
Uncompressed wav audio, as a rule of thumb, is about 1Mb per minute.  That's roughly 16 hours per Gig.

If you are going to do call recording then it might be best to use a regular drive.  CFCards and USB sticks generally aren't fast enough and they can only sustain a certain number of writes before they fail.

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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2009, 04:21:49 PM »
I haven't seen any dual ethernet m/b's here in Aust yet for the Atom base.

I would think just for storage the SSD would be overkill..
Even so, if you are worried about space a 32G CF card can be had here for $140-$160 AUD.

Yeah, actually at that price the little extra for the same sized SSD seems more than worthwhile..

Just checked locally and can't see any mini-itx atom boards with dual ethernet.
(Whatever you get make sure its the 330 Atom and not the 230, the performance difference is huge).. ;-)

Hi gippsweb,

I found this one:
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832
I believe that they will ship to Oz.
The manufacturer's site is here:
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=388&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1614
Here in the US a 32GB Sandisk Extreme III is $30 USD more that a Corsair 32GB SSD  :shock: and only $20 USD cheaper than a 64GB SSD  :cool:

Del
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 02:30:44 AM »
Damn thats a nice board, (need to see if our MSI disty has them) but I don't think those GbE ports are supported by SME..
I've had the Realtek 8169 cards working, but performance varies greatly(the driver is crap).
Haven't seen much support for any other Realtek GbE chips....

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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 03:09:12 AM »
Damn thats a nice board, (need to see if our MSI disty has them) but I don't think those GbE ports are supported by SME..
I've had the Realtek 8169 cards working, but performance varies greatly(the driver is crap).
Haven't seen much support for any other Realtek GbE chips....

So what motherboard do you use for the atom? It's seems I may be better off using a micro ATX and a rack mount case.

Del
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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 04:24:38 AM »
unfortunately all the ones we have used only have single 10/100 ethernet ports.
As we've been using then only as ip pbx's it hasn't really bothered us to this point.

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Re: Anyone using a solid state HDD?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 02:10:42 PM »
unfortunately all the ones we have used only have single 10/100 ethernet ports.
As we've been using then only as ip pbx's it hasn't really bothered us to this point.

Which one do you use with a single LAN? I could always out it behind a router.
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