Topic: NTFS Support

[Cosmyn]

Hello,

Latest linux distros have support for ntfs disks with ntfs-3g. When will SME have something like that ? Please make it a feature request (or bug): support for read & write to/from NTFS partitions - out of the box.

I have a 1tb drive with lots of movies on it and it is NTFS formated (no spare disk for transfer and reformat to ext3), i want to be able to access it in a sme server (i want to stream movies with PS3 Media Server and download torrents on another 300gb drive with deluge).

Can it be done? How? I tried to install ntfs-3g and fuse but keep asking for "fuse module" on mount.

Thank you

[cactus]

Latest linux distros have support for ntfs disks with ntfs-3g. When will SME have something like that ? Please make it a feature request (or bug): support for read & write to/from NTFS partitions - out of the box.

You could do so yourself, by adding it in th ebugtracker that can be found at bugs.contribs.org , please keep in mind that the development team is rather limited compared to the number of feature requests so if you really desire this you could try and work out a way and ad that to your bug.

Can it be done? How? I tried to install ntfs-3g and fuse but keep asking for "fuse module" on mount.

How did you install? From where? What is the exact error and after which commands do you observe them? Please keep in mind we do not have a USB powered crystal ball

[Stefano]

Can it be done? How? I tried to install ntfs-3g and fuse but keep asking for "fuse module" on mount.

Cosmyn.. IMHO there's no reason why SME should be able to read/write ntfs disk out-of-the-box

how did you install/configure fuse?

anyway, this post is off-topic here

[cactus]

Moving this topic to SME 7.x Contribs where it is more appropriate

[Cosmyn]

Stephano: Why SME should not support it out of the box? It support Apple Network (just because it exist and someone use it) it even start it without asking me if i need it... Guess what: ntfs also exist and lots of people use it (and we have no conversion utility that will convert ntfs to ext3 without loosing data).
Also, do you think that installer formating all drives it found, not only the one on which i choose to install it - is OK too?

Cactus: I found some questions about ntfs on this forum back in 2005.... I ask in forum because if am the only one that i need it then will be no point to raise a bug. I used windows so i have drives with ntfs... looks like i will switch back to it...

Well, i`ve "google it" and found some RPM-s (on www.tuxera.com for RH el4) which i`ve download and install with "yum localinstall":

[root@mainframe ~]# uname -a
Linux mainframe 2.6.9-89.0.16.EL #1 Tue Nov 3 17:15:02 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

yum info:

Installed Packages
Name   : ntfs-3g
Arch   : i686
Version: 2009.4.4
Release: EL4
Size   : 365 k
Repo   : installed
Summary: Linux NTFS userspace driver

Installed Packages
Name   : fuse
Arch   : i686
Version: 2.6.3
Release: 3.EL4
Size   : 207 k
Repo   : installed
Summary: File System in Userspace (FUSE) utilities

[root@mainframe ~]# mount -t ntfs-3g -o inherit /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk1
FATAL: Module fuse not found.
ntfs-3g-mount: fuse device is missing, try 'modprobe fuse' as root

[root@mainframe ~]# modprobe fuse
FATAL: Module fuse not found.

Why the original kernel was not compiled with ntfs support?

[root@mainframe ~]# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk1
mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel
[root@mainframe ~]#

PS: I use SME at work because it was easy to install and manage and have a big community with lots of "contribs", but for home server i`ll stick to windows, because of narrow minded people who think it`s ok for me with my limited linux knowledge to struggle to implement something this minor that they consider not worth for working out of the box.

Thank you.

[Stefano]

Stephano: Why SME should not support it out of the box? It support Apple Network (just because it exist and someone use it) it even start it without asking me if i need it...

simply because NTFS is a FILESYSTEM and not a network protocol.. it is a proprietary FS and SME (and all linux server generally speaking) doesn't need to use ntfs formatted disk.. do you need to use it? well, plug it into a window machine, share it and mount it on SME

Why the original kernel was not compiled with ntfs support?

because SME's kernel come from CentOS/Redhat.. and Redhat's guys decided that their server don't need to read/write natively ntfs disk.. is it clear now? SME's devs doesn't compile kernel..

PS: I use SME at work because it was easy to install and manage and have a big community with lots of "contribs", but for home server i`ll stick to windows, because of narrow minded people who think it`s ok for me with my limited linux knowledge to struggle to implement something this minor that they consider not worth for working out of the box.

Thank you.

ok, IMHO there's something that isn't clear to you enough, anyway if you feel confortable with windows, use windows..

[Igi2003]

Search for "kernel-module-fuse-2.6.9-89.0.16.EL-2.7.3-1.SL.i686.rpm", or "kernel-module-fuse-2.6.9-89.0.16.ELsmp-2.7.3-1.SL.i686.rpm"(if use SMP Kernel), download it an install it with yum. Now you have the fuse Module for your Kernel and NTFS-3G should work.

Use "ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows" to simply mount NTFS.

Have fun with NTFS Support on SME.

Igi

[cactus]

Cactus: I found some questions about ntfs on this forum back in 2005.... I ask in forum because if am the only one that i need it then will be no point to raise a bug. I used windows so i have drives with ntfs... looks like i will switch back to it...

Yes you do... if you would like to have this implemented in SME Server as a core feature than that is the path to walk... I am sorry. Those are the rules and that's how we play the game of developing SME Server.

[Igi2003]

I am sorry. Those are the rules and that's how we play the game of developing SME Server.

Sorry cactus, but that what you say, its not correct. If a costumer needs NTFS Support on his Server, whatever RHEL4, SME, Debain or SuSe, he has right to install what he needs. He does'n have right for Support of the SME Developement Team for this Software, but for this Server.

This User need NTFS Support on SME.... why du you said this:

IMHO there's no reason why SME should be able to read/write ntfs disk out-of-the-box

.
He has a reason for use it. SME 7.4 is Out Of Date and NTFS must not be Developed for RHEL4, it already exist.

Igi

[cactus]

Sorry cactus, but that what you say, is shit. If a costumer needs NTFS Support on his Server, whatever RHEL4, SME, Debain or SuSe, he has right to install what he needs. He does'n have right for Support of the SME Developement Team for this Software, but for this Server.

Above was a reaction to this:

Please make it a feature request (or bug): support for read & write to/from NTFS partitions - out of the box.

This User need NTFS Support on SME.... why du you said this: .
He has a reason for use it. SME 7.4 is Out Of Date and NTFS must not be Developed for RHEL4, it already exist.

I did not, please direct your comments to the proper persons, thanks in advance.

[Igi2003]

Above was a reaction to this:I did not, please direct your comments to the proper persons, thanks in advance.

Sorry, that says not you. Stefano said this. I'm sorry cactus.

[Stefano]

Sorry cactus, but that what you say, is shit. If a costumer needs NTFS Support on his Server, whatever RHEL4, SME, Debain or SuSe, he has right to install what he needs. He does'n have right for Support of the SME Developement Team for this Software, but for this Server.

This User need NTFS Support on SME.... why du you said this: .
He has a reason for use it. SME 7.4 is Out Of Date and NTFS must not be Developed for RHEL4, it already exist.

Igi

Igi, first of all, please:
- respect other people (so, don't use words like "shit")
- remember to quote correctly.. the sentence

IMHO there's no reason why SME should be able to read/write ntfs disk out-of-the-box

is mine..

then:

If a costumer needs NTFS Support on his Server, whatever RHEL4, SME, Debain or SuSe, he has right to install what he needs. He does'n have right for Support of the SME Developement Team for this Software, but for this Server.

no one said that's not possible or that you can not install on SME.. I was arguing that the support INTO SME out of the box for NTFS is not necessary.. so, please, re-read twice my answer..

He has a reason for use it. SME 7.4 is Out Of Date and NTFS must not be Developed for RHEL4, it already exist.

again: OP has the right to do everything he wish with his server.. does he want to install gnome? he can..
I was just saying that NTFS in SME will not be implemented because there's no reason for SME to read/write NTFS disks natively

now, please, Igi, tell us something about "SME 7.4 is Out Of Date" and your effort in the development of SME8, thank you

[Igi2003]

Sorry, i have corrected my mistake.

SME 7.4 (actual updates) based on CentOS 4.8 and RHEL4. The latest version of RH is 5 an CentOS has version 5.4.
Latest Beta 4 of SME 8 based on CentOS 5.3. I'm test it in a Virtual Machine.
Thats that I mean "SME 7.4 is Out Of Date".

[Stefano]

Centos4, as Redhat 4, will be supported until 2012

so, IMHO, SME is not "out of date".. and if you want php5/mysql5 (for example), you can simply install them.

SME 6.X is out of date.. and, more important, unsupported

all IMVHO

[stephen noble]

PS: I use SME at work because it was easy to install and manage and have a big community with lots of "contribs",

the contribs were created by average people adding a solution to their problem

you just added another, congratulations,
you can thank the previous contributors by adding your solution to the wiki as a howto