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Trials finished results summary

Offline NoTo

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2013, 11:51:00 AM »
I've started building the main production server today that will perform all the main server functions, ie file sharing, remote access, user management, mailserver etc, but not webmail/calendring. Once that is stable and all data transferred from the old machine, I will continue with the groupware trials on the SME8 test server..

As an interim measure, we will be using Horde Groupware Webmail 5.1.2 on a Lubuntu PC, running on Bitnami LAMP Stack 5.4.22.

It may be that this becomes the permanent solution as the users find it much nicer to use than the earlier Horde on SME. It's not the ideal scenario, but one that works ok for now and allows us to transition over to the new hardware and retire the old system. At least all the mail will then be on the SME8 machine and the calendars easily exportable to transfer to whatever ends up on the SME8 machine, and it gives me more time to continue groupware trials.


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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2013, 02:16:52 PM »
We already had an interesting discussion about groupwaresolutions : http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,49710.0.html

I learned that sogo will become interesting ounce SAMBA4 is used in SME ...

F.

PS. at the end of that tread (p.3) you will find instruction to install horde 5 on SME.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2013, 02:32:18 PM by frifri »

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2013, 02:33:10 PM »
We already had an interesting discussion about groupwaresolutions : http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,49710.0.html

I learned that sogo will become interesting ounce SAMBA4 is used in SME ...

F.

PS. at the end of that tread (p.3) you will find instruction to install horde 5 on SME.

I disagree :-)

SOGo is already interesting because you can choose also to be indipendent from outlook..  ;-)

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2013, 02:48:31 PM »
Stefano,

I (and a lot of others) don't have that choice ... (some of us even hate M$)  :)

F.

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2013, 05:18:28 PM »
We already had an interesting discussion about groupwaresolutions : http://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,49710.0.html

I learned that sogo will become interesting ounce SAMBA4 is used in SME ...

F.

PS. at the end of that tread (p.3) you will find instruction to install horde 5 on SME.
Will this break SME 8? I note the script specifically says it is for 9. I ask as I don't use 9.

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2013, 05:53:31 PM »
you better contact John : http://johnbennettservices.com/

F.

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2013, 12:30:55 PM »
Hi NoTo,
i'm very involved in SOGo Project from years, i have created a i'm maintaining smeserver-sogo and smeserver-sogo-thundenderbird rpms
I can quote what Stefano said: "SOGo is a "package" that offer a web UI, some features but relies on the local daemons and filesystem"
It's offer a modern webui  addition a strong integration with Thunderbid  and mobile device like iPhone, Android, using open standard like caldav and carddav

I said too "but I have far too many issues installing it with my low level of expertise. So far I have never got beyond the stage that the url is not found on my server when I browse there. I also get too may errors at the terminal when I try to follow the install on the contrib."
On NethServer you can install and auto-configure it with a simple command:
 yum install nethserver-sogo nethserver-sogo-thunderbird sogo-frontends
Or by webui with a single click
Then the url to point is https://ip_yourserver/sogo

Give it a chance :-) i'm ready for release new rpms integration with sogo 2.1.1b and Thunderbird24
http://nethserver.nethesis.it/index.php?id=download
https://dev.nethesis.it/projects/nethserver/wiki/Nethserver-sogo

Offline NoTo

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2013, 12:38:27 PM »

On NethServer you can install and auto-configure it with a simple command:
 yum install nethserver-sogo nethserver-sogo-thunderbird sogo-frontends
Or by webui with a single click
Then the url to point is https://ip_yourserver/sogo
I have done all that, but still it says
Code: [Select]
Not Found

The requested URL /sogo was not found on this server.

When I re-run
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yum install nethserver-sogo nethserver-sogo-thunderbird sogo-frontends
it says
Code: [Select]
No package nethserver-sogo available.
No package nethserver-sogo-thunderbird available.
No package sogo-frontends available.
Nothing to do

So I declare myself to be officially "out of my depth"  :lol:

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2013, 12:47:51 PM »
Sorry, maybe i wasn't clear. I have appreciated your useful "Considerations, comparisons and potential selections" then i have suggested another product to add at your selection
You should test http://www.nethserver.it and you can use the commands above only on it.
You can find another comparison that you can help you: http://www.nethserver.it/index.php?id=development_features_nethserver-sme-server
Thank you for attention


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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2013, 12:49:04 PM »
Thanks, I shall take a look.

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2013, 01:54:45 PM »
Hi NoTo,
i'm very involved in SOGo Project from years, i have created a i'm maintaining smeserver-sogo and smeserver-sogo-thundenderbird rpms
I can quote what Stefano said: "SOGo is a "package" that offer a web UI, some features but relies on the local daemons and filesystem"
It's offer a modern webui  addition a strong integration with Thunderbid  and mobile device like iPhone, Android, using open standard like caldav and carddav

I said too "but I have far too many issues installing it with my low level of expertise. So far I have never got beyond the stage that the url is not found on my server when I browse there. I also get too may errors at the terminal when I try to follow the install on the contrib."
On NethServer you can install and auto-configure it with a simple command:
 yum install nethserver-sogo nethserver-sogo-thunderbird sogo-frontends
Or by webui with a single click
Then the url to point is https://ip_yourserver/sogo

Give it a chance :-) i'm ready for release new rpms integration with sogo 2.1.1b and Thunderbird24
http://nethserver.nethesis.it/index.php?id=download
https://dev.nethesis.it/projects/nethserver/wiki/Nethserver-sogo
I had a close look at Nethserver and it shows much promise.

However, it just presents the opposite problems.

Where I find SME8 ugly, Neth64 is beautiful.

Where I find SME8 beautiful, Neth 64 is ugly.

For example, neth64 has a excellent user interface and it works in much more of a way that I want. The package manager is particularly good and I think SME8 should have one. I think package managers are one of the bigger reasons that people come to Linux for both server and desktop, because it does-away with all that horrible command line stuff. It is the sole reason I went over to Linux on the desktop five years ago.

However, SME8 wins on documentation. I know Neth is young so I cannot expect it to have the vast library that SME does, however it has proved to be a sticking point for me. After one hour, I still cannot work out how to add fetchmail to Neth as there is no documentation anywhere and not the merest hint of how to do so. It's a small issue I know, but one that is important to me and my set-up.

But that's just one small example.

So Neth has all I want, but will be some years before it is documented enough for "ordinary users".

SME8 doesn't have all I want, and it looks like it will be some years before it does or the contribs for the missing bits to be "friendly enough".

I think it is one of those situations where both distros would ABSOLUTELY benefit from the other in a joint effort.

Graham (who like both, but can't do it with either)  :lol:

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2013, 07:32:38 PM »
nethserver=php
smeserver=perl

two visions of world :)

indeed Europeans are really competitors in free software :)

Now the bet is to attract a community with this distribution, because you can have the best product if nobody use it, it is hard to maintain and develop it...it looks like zentyal at beginning, it took months before that people know it, use it , trust it....and so long.

But it is a good adventure...i look...
« Last Edit: December 14, 2013, 07:41:43 PM by stephdl »
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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2013, 10:06:49 PM »
NoTo et al

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SME8 doesn't have all I want, and it looks like it will be some years before it does or the contribs for the missing bits to be "friendly enough".

Firstly maybe you are still learning about SME server, so more knowledge/experience is needed.
It could also be a case of you want everything (now), but this is a free open source code world, & things happen as & when people contribute their time & effort.
Everything is not perfect, most things are in a constant state or flux of development & redevelopment & improvement etc. Things are better than they used to be some years ago.

If something is not right, then get in & fix it, do it yourself or pay someone to do it for you.
If you have a specific requirement that is important to you or urgently required for your business/personal interests, then sponsor a developer (with cash) to implement it. We all then benefit from your investment, many parts of sme server have been implemented due to corporate sponsorship.

SME server is (in my  opinion) the best free all round server alternative, so learn to live with it's limitations, for there is nothing out there that is any better or has any better answers for many & varied user issues.


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So Neth has all I want, but will be some years before it is documented enough for "ordinary users".
I think it is one of those situations where both distros would ABSOLUTELY benefit from the other in a joint effort.
Graham (who like both, but can't do it with either)  :lol:

Neth proposed themselves to sme server users late in 2012 (I think), a merger was an obvious outcome, a commercial entity & a community combining.
It seemed though, that Neth had their own strong mindset about how the project would advance & be implemented, whereas the contribs org community & current & past developers saw it a bit differently. I guess one of the sticking points was the use of php based code vs perl based code.
So this in part, inspired the community to reform (or perhaps improve their formation & motivation), thus spawning the koozali name & entity etc.
Here we are today, with sme9 nearly ready to go.
As I see it, perhaps if Neth had been more open to ideas or input from the community, & more proactive/interactive about it, then maybe the community may have joined up with them as corporate sponsors, but that did not happen. The community has decided to go it alone with developing sme9 based on CentOS 6, & modelled on/copied from the existing sme8 code.

The long term survival of both Neth & SME/Koozali is yet to be seen, but it seems there is willingness on both sides & there are dedicated people behind both.
Ultimately it's an end users choice what server platform to use, the people will decide whether one or both remain viable.
SME has a proven track record, but much of it's success lies in the hands of a few people, without those people it may have faltered & failed, but others have come on the scene to take over the reigns from time to time, just when it seemed that all was not well. Such is human nature to kick in & get inspired when the going gets tough. During those seemingly low times, senior developers were still developing & fixing code, despite politics within the community & opinions of doomsayers, suggesting the end of SME server.

I personally have confidence that SME/Koozali server will continue for years to come, it's simply too good doing what it does & beats all the rest for the combination of simplicity, security & functionality. Updating the look & feel will happen when people have the time (or cash) to do it. For now the safe & secure approach has been taken, after all the server will still function despite it's "appearance".
« Last Edit: December 14, 2013, 10:20:22 PM by janet »
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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2013, 09:33:22 AM »
I think I may not have been clear and my words have been misunderstood.

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Re: Trials finished results summary
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 01:55:59 PM »
NoTo

I do not think there was anything to misunderstand in what you said, as what you said was quite clear.
In what way do you feel your words were misunderstood ?
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