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A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community

cranky

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« on: March 14, 2005, 03:23:57 AM »
It is good to see that we are going to try to make a fresh start (again).  While not being personally involved in the recent dissention, it was disheartening to see our community splinter and possibly fork.  Perhaps with our new stewards, we will see our community develop:
- a roadmap for the next few minor (and/or major releases) with a tentative timeline
- clear procedures for deciding what will be included in the releases
- clear procedures for how we resolve conflicts amicably
- some sort of rudimentary, minimal organizational structure to update the roadmap, communicate news and issues to the community, and establish some order.

I know there are some that abhor structure.  Many would say 'just jump in and do it' when someone in the forums asks why something hasn't been done.  The fact is that there are many lurkers in the community that would like to contribute, but don't know what is needed, who decides what, and/or where we are going.  The end result with this situation is that they contribute nothing as they don't want their effort wasted if they guess wrong and contribute code, content, or documentation that ends up not being in the next release.  I'm not talking about work done outside of the base release (such as contributions, how-to's, etc.).  That work is always welcome and appreciated.  But there are also those that want to see the base release updated, documented, etc. that feel they are not able to contribute to that effort as they don't know what the plans are.  I'm not referring to the SW engineers in the group - they can checkout something from CVS, read it and change or document it.  I'm referring to the others in the group that are not SW engineers that would still like to contribute).  

We all GREATLY appreciate those that have took it upon themselves to issue the next release (and are working on future releases, contributions).  But in a way it is sad that they did this out of frustration(?) rather than as part of a larger group effort.  Our collective efforts are stronger if we all move in the same direction, right?

With this in mind, I offer the following proposal for a stripped down organizational structure and constitution.  You can find it here http://no.longer.valid/phpwiki/index.php/Proposed%20Organization

I have made a second copy on the wiki for community input/changes.  You can find it here:
http://no.longer.valid/phpwiki/index.php/Proposed%20Organization%20Scratchpad
Make your changes on this copy!  The idea is to freeze the first copy of the document in stages (like a 0.X alpha release) so that the community can reflect on and vote(?) for each revision while the second copy can continue being updated.  In this manner, maybe we can work through this process and organize!

I've tried to address issues such as corporate stewards, how the community can influence future development, election procedures, terms of office, etc.

The proposed Debian structure is nice, but IMHO, I think it's too large for our group at this point.

If I've stepped out of line here with this proposal, skip the flames - just ignore it and submit your own ideas.  This was my way of 'just doing it' (see above).  Hopefully this will lead and/or spur the growth of our community (even if what we adopt is nothing like this proposal).

cranky

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2005, 02:17:21 PM »
just trying to keep this in view for a while...

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2005, 03:29:14 PM »
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Frank Barone "Holly Crap"

Looks good so far, haven't total digested it yet.

Will contribs.org be moving again to another server
or has that aready been done transparently?

Also is there a list of the current leadership & titles somewhere?

Have a good day...

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Re: A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Commu
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2005, 06:52:45 PM »
Quote from: "cranky"

The proposed Debian structure is nice, but IMHO, I think it's too large for our group at this point.


Even this is quite large - I don't know if there will be enough people to support it.

Having said that I see this as a good thing - something more is needed comared to the current situation.
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RonM

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2005, 09:13:33 PM »
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Even this is quite large - I don't know if there will be enough people to support it.


I think it's best to have a lot of roles available for volunteers, but only a few that are absolutely required.

Thanks for the work!

RonM[/quote]

cranky

Re: A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Commu
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2005, 11:23:41 PM »
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Quote from: "cranky"

The proposed Debian structure is nice, but IMHO, I think it's too large for our group at this point.


Even this is quite large - I don't know if there will be enough people to support it.

Having said that I see this as a good thing - something more is needed comared to the current situation.


Hi Wellsi!
  This may look large at first glance, but only three  people need to be elected.  The rest are volunteer slots.  The three group leaders would nominate people / delegate tasks to people based on their talents and what they volunteer for.  By looking at the work thats been done already (ex. - in the wiki and by the developers), it appears that many of the current volunteers would slip right into some of these slots now.  The difference is that we would have a better handle on who's doing what and who we should contact!  Much of this proposal attempts to keep the existing working relationships between volunteers the same (relationships that I inferred - I'm not 100% sure).  It simply tries to formalize things a bit to reign in some of the perceived confusion.

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Frank Barone "Holly Crap"

Looks good so far, haven't total digested it yet.

Will contribs.org be moving again to another server
or has that aready been done transparently?

Also is there a list of the current leadership & titles somewhere?

Have a good day...


Hi Electroman00
Q1) I've been trying to get permission to upload some graphics (process flow diagrams, organization charts, etc.) that would make this document easier to digest.  I have not succeeded yet (see my wiki help post).
Q2) I'm not the one to ask
Q3) That's what the proposal aims to put in place.

garret

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2005, 06:52:12 PM »
I think this is good mostly. The only issues I have are with trying to get the Core developers under the "Contribs" system too quickly. I think we need to concentrate on the community, contribs and docs first, then if it seems like a good idea, bringing core dev in also.

I like the idea of elections and also the checks and balances.

I think we need to get the entire contribs system to something like gforge or savane, which should also be able to handle the rest of our needs IMO.

Garret

Black

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2005, 05:30:47 AM »
Glad to see some life getting back into this great distro! I would help out in anyway I can  :-) I wouldn't mind sinking my teeth into those howto's and getting some organized format dealing ONLY with SME in a easy to read/understand format.

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2005, 06:41:01 AM »
I thought this was going somewhere too, but the momental has seemed to stop.  At the start of last month it was all yep lets get going and lots of chatter etc.  But now, where has everyone gone. :-?

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2005, 03:21:40 PM »
Appears as if the furture is still up in the air.

No news at all lately, doesn't appear to be good.

bkrosco

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2005, 04:01:38 AM »
Anyone have any more info as to what is going on? I'd hate to see things start slowing down around here again.

Maybe everyone is just working really hard on SME and haven't had a chance to let everyone know what they're up to.  :-D

cydonia

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2005, 07:49:00 AM »
I've just about given up on SME's future to be honest.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but in general, I don't believe a community project on the scale of Contribs/SME can work.

There is no centralised direction, I think if SME were to go semi-proprietory, with good financial backing by an existing software company, then there exists potential.

I still love the basic features of SME like templating etc, it would be great to be able to build a custom Nix box based on an SME core.

Skydiver

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2005, 10:06:45 AM »
Does not look good. I have posted issues and in some cases no one is about to help or im on ignore for being out spoken on the roffdoggs list.

CharlieBrady only responds to my posts to tell me to post it somewhere else, no assistance in fixing anything.

No emails coming from the Roffdogs List about the future of SME.

Very little seems to be happening with update scripts for 7.0 .

To be honest i have been investing a great deal of time looking for something else to replace SME.  

Anyone with info about Linux Server Platforms please pass the info on. Has to be something out there.

Or an update on whats happening with SME and the future would be good.

Black

A Proposal For An Organizational Structure For Our Community
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2005, 02:19:54 PM »
can someone fork this?

cydonia

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2005, 06:49:45 AM »
I reckon just ground up based on Fedora or even SuSe is the way to go.  As Novel always emphasize, its about support as well as the product...

Quote from: "Skydiver"
Does not look good. I have posted issues and in some cases no one is about to help or im on ignore for being out spoken on the roffdoggs list.

CharlieBrady only responds to my posts to tell me to post it somewhere else, no assistance in fixing anything.

No emails coming from the Roffdogs List about the future of SME.

Very little seems to be happening with update scripts for 7.0 .

To be honest i have been investing a great deal of time looking for something else to replace SME.  

Anyone with info about Linux Server Platforms please pass the info on. Has to be something out there.

Or an update on whats happening with SME and the future would be good.