Topic: where is SME8

[christian]

Is there a belief sme8 is buggy, it's not

sme8 has less than half the bugs of sme7, and after updates none that affect operations

If you want sme8 make a backup, then install it, you won't look back

I do expect that sme8 is quite stable but per Cactus in an earlier comment in this thread it is not clear whether upgrades will be supported from this point as this usually starts from RCs. Based on my review of forum and wiki comments as well as bugzilla status I am quite confident that SME8 is in good enough shape to run on my production system. If we have a statement (even a qualified one) that upgrades will be supported then I will move forward and add to the soak time.

[janet]

christian

...it is not clear whether upgrades will be supported from this point as this usually starts from RCs.  If we have a statement (even a qualified one) that upgrades will be supported....

That statement is unlikely to be made as it is not the policy of developers to do so.

Using sme8beta4/5 now entails a small amount of risk, but I do not see that as significant or a compelling reason not to use it now if you have good reason to do so eg hardware and application compatibility, which if so, then you really have no choice other than to use sme8beta4/5.

In a worst case scenario, should there be a problem upgrading to sme8 RC or Final (from the beta), you can backup your data and configuration and restore to a fresh install of sme 8.0 RC or Final, then reinstall any contribs. That's no different to what you would do in a production situation where your server hardware totally failed and had to be replaced.

[christian]

That statement is unlikely to be made as it is not the policy of developers to do so.

While that may be true, given B5 seems so mature it seems like a reasonable question. I think it is just a couple of items that are holding it up from becoming an RC.

Using sme8beta4/5 now entails a small amount of risk, but I do not see that as significant or a compelling reason not to use it now if you have good reason to do so eg hardware and application compatibility, which if so, then you really have no choice other than to use sme8beta4/5.

I've been working around this by putting dependent apps in VM's which has had other positive side effects. But you are quite right, I may be running out of runway where even simple apps need php5 and mysql5 amongst other things. I've been able to work around hw dependencies by inserting drivers but this is all becoming too hacked up. I'm an SME loyalist so I'll probably move forward when it otherwise gets too awkward and take my chances.

In a worst case scenario, should there be a problem upgrading to sme8 RC or Final (from the beta), you can backup your data and configuration and restore to a fresh install of sme 8.0 RC or Final, then reinstall any contribs. That's no different to what you would do in a production situation where your server hardware totally failed and had to be replaced.

I agree with that but certainly a scenario I would like to avoid. It is very time consuming.

[cactus]

While that may be true, given B5 seems so mature it seems like a reasonable question. I think it is just a couple of items that are holding it up from becoming an RC.

Perhaps, one major is verification of bugs marked RESOLVED FIXED and since this thread not even one new user has stepped up to do so... I suggest we stop this debate as plain talking about it does not bring us forward.
Be brave, have a look at the bug matrix and see if you (or any one else) can verify a bug, if not you can either set the need_help_to_verify flag (preferably) or take your loss and move on. When in doubt you can have look at other bugs that where verified in the past.

For the process of verification the template on what steps to perform is already added to the bugs in the state RESOLVED FIXED. Basically it boils down to reproducing the original problem, upgrading to version with the fix and verifying that the problem does not occur anymore.

I say happy verification!

[christian]

I suggest we stop this debate as plain talking about it does not bring us forward.

It wasn't a debate, it was a question but if you mean the thread then I'm with you brother.

Be brave, have a look at the bug matrix and see if you (or any one else) can verify a bug, if not you can either set the need_help_to_verify flag (preferably) or take your loss and move on. When in doubt you can have look at other bugs that where verified in the past....

As I've contributed in the past I can assure you it is not an issue of bravery but simply time at this particular point in my life. However you have motivated me sufficiently that as soon as I can allot the time, I will simply move forward to sme8 and take my chances with regards to the upgrades... and of course help with verification...