Topic: Mail client and SMTP outgoing server

[Agent86]

Hi
Let me rephrase this
Regarding my SME server settings for my email client.
typically a mail client outgoing server is setup like smtp.mail.comcast or something to that effect
What about the SME server what is the proper settings for the email system?
smtp.mydomain.com or something?
But when I do that it does not  send mail with my client. So I have to resort back to smtp.comcast.net

FYI webmail is fine, and I know or believe that all my DNS records are correctly setup.

Any pointers for my smtp outgoing mail setting on my client (thunderbird) ?

Thanks
Steve

[gordonr]

Any pointers for my smtp outgoing mail setting on my client (thunderbird) ?

The simple alias "mail" is sufficient if you are using the SME Server as your DNS server.

[Agent86]

Thanks
And Yes SME is resolving DNS locally for all domains and subdomains that I've setup.

My domain name for the primary ibay is www.foolishlys.com

I assumed I could set my outgoing smtp server in my email client as something like smtp.foolishlys.com but I get errors that it's not configured correctly ?

I tried to tweak the ports for the smtp on the email client but all the same result. Port 25 appears to be the default when setting up the client email outgoing smtp mail server.

Perhaps there is something I'm missing , but again the webmail is working.

Anyhow thanks for the response I look forward to getting this resolved

[Gaston94]

Hi,
you should look at some "nslookup mail" and "nslookup mail.yourdomaine.tld" command responses from your workstations.
Should this returns any of the "70.91.x.x" or "216.252.y.y" then you are wrong in your DNS settings on the workstations (sould use the SME server as DNS) or in your SME configuration.

G.

[Agent86]

Yes I'm getting 70.xx.xx.xx when doing a nslookup at:
http://www.mtgsy.net/dns/utilities.php

DNS setting on the workstations ???

I get this type of thing for testing at mtgsy.net for email address checking:

Getting MX records for 'foolishlys.com'

There are 01 MX records (Mail servers) for the domain 'foolishlys.com'

Testing each mail server in the list using the address icl@foolishlys.com
.foolishlys.com, preference = 20
Checking to see if .foolishlys.com is in any of the popular RBL's
PASSED - Not found in any RBL's
connecting to .foolishlys.com
*CONNECTION FAILED*
EHLO MTGSY.NET
MAIL FROM:<postmaster@mtgsy.net>
RCPT TO:<icl@foolishlys.com>
QUIT

I don't understand this cause the webmail works fine

Thanks for the help I'll look forward to any other information on this subject

[william_syd]

Any pointers for my smtp outgoing mail setting on my client (thunderbird) ?

Thanks
Steve

Look in server-manager under Review configuration. It will tell you what to use for mail.

Go to Hostnames and addresses and make sure what the above tells you does exist.

What mode is your sme in ?

You could try just using the ip address as your mail server during testing.

[Agent86]

Hi thanks

I'm using as gateway/server mode

I believe I found something about my settings

the smtp setting of the client I've set as foolishlys.com instead of smtp.foolishlys.com like I would normally do for outgoing smtp server.
It appears to be sending mail now.

Why would the smtp.foolishlys.com cause the mail to error ? and not foolishlys.com

I was reading the forums about something to do with proxies and things I don't know anything about it sadly.

Anyhow thanks for all the help and I would like to know what is the difference in the 2 entries.

[bpivk]

Well smtp.foolishlys.com includes one of your subdomais and foolishlys.com is your domain. smtp.foolishlys.com would work if you'd set this subdomain to point to your server.

[Agent86]

Thanks

Well I've set my A records are set to foward to another website and the destination is a Yahoo IP address, but the C record I've set to *.iclbiz.com and mail.iclbiz.com which is a yahoo hostname since this is one of my subdomains on the SME box
And the MX record is set to iclbiz.com
And the mail works this way, but the webage that yahoo is suppose to forward me to does not
If I change the SME settings to use internet DNS then yahoo will forward to my website, but the mail will not ? LOL

In anycase I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the smtp. issue, but to confirm my DNS for the subdomain I believe has all proper A,C and MX records

But this may not have anything to do with the smtp issue because the www.foolishlys.com DNS is set to us my static IP address not yahoo, and also the mail is set correctly and the MX record of course is foolishlys.com
I'm not sure why myclient would not allow the smtp. for any of my domains including the primary domain.

Any other pointers on this would be great.

I realize this topics really splits into a few different topics but anyhow my review configuration in SME shows mail as firstname.lastname@foolishlys.com

But my SME should resolve and sort the mail which it is even of the subdomains. But still I don't understand why smtp will not work to send mail.

Perhaps I need to get more understanding of what smtp does and if it's important ?

Thanks

[Terry]

Nobody has asked, are you trying to send from the LAN or the WAN side?  LAN side you can use port 25, with no authentication.  WAN side you must allow SSTMP in the server-manager.  Once that is done set your client to use authentication and port 465.  If you are a roaming user (LAN and WAN) you can use authentication and port 465 all the time if you wish.

[Agent86]

Interesting topic

I've not known about setting any ports for Lan or Wan I typically have not done that with any other email service ever.

But yes I am a roaming client sometimes from LAN and sometimes WAN from work

So to confirm I should set TLS authentication and port 465 on the clien for outgoing mail server and server name= smtp.foolishly.com on the client computers ?

What is difference in the settings as oppose to server name = foolishlys.com on port 25, and setting TLS (if available) ?

or smtp.foolishlys.com on port 465 and TLS (if available ?

[Terry]

Then use Secure SMTP (SSMTP).  SSMTp forces you to authenticate when you use the SMTP server, it allows you to send from external of the server.  Otherwise you'll need to use some other SMTp server to send (your ISP for example).

[Agent86]

ssmtp is enabled on the server by default ? and I've reviewed the setting to be sure and confirm enabled

So is this why I was having some trouble sending email from the LAN when setting the outgoing server to smtp.foolishlys.com ?

I've set to smtp.foolishlys.com and TLS (if available) and port 465
Error message say   smtp. sever may not be configured properly or something to that effect

And Thanks for the help.

[william_syd]

Don't quote me on this but do you need a C record of smtp.foolishlys.com to send mail from the WAN ?

Also, in server-manager, Hostnames and addresses do you need smtp.foolishlys.com set to location self to send mail from the LAN ? (assuming SME is providing IP's to your local computers )

In addition..
Server-manager, E-mail

POP3 server access    Allow private and public (secure POP3S)
IMAP server access    Allow private and public (secure IMAPS)

SMTP authentication    Allow SSMTP (secure)

Then in your email client, use

POP3 - SSL - Port 995
or
IMAP - SSL - Port 993
and
SMTP - SSL - Port 465 Authenticate password/username

[Agent86]

Thanks

I do have all the DNS records setup including the C and MX records etc.

I'm not sure I really understand all the reasons for the ports or why I can't just set the client to smtp.????.com or whatever as with any other email service ?

I may have to do some more reading on this subject but it's getting a little tiring, and time consuming.

Sorry to sound discouraged but I was really hoping for a simple solution for something that should be a simple subject but it's turning out a bit more then I can comprehend I'm embarrassed to say.

Thanks for all the help I'll tinker with it some more this weekend.

[william_syd]

smtp.foolishlys.com and foolishlys.com have different IP addresses.

[Terry]

It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

1. Enable SSMTP access in the server-manager
2. Set client to use port 465 and enable authentication.  I don't think you have to enable encryption.

Check mail.  Done.  To troubleshoot, telnet to your server on port 465.  If it answers, then the port is open, if it doesn't you'll need to check network configs.

[Agent86]

Isn't port 465 open by default when you use as gateway/server mode ?

And I'll have to try learn about telnet when I get some more time, and test port 465 to confirm

also I've tried all the setting in the client from a WAN client computer at work

settings for smtp.domain.com and port 465 and selected ssl
also incoming mail just enter the user and port 993 and ssl
and both with with authentication selected.

mail server timed out,  and cannot send or recieve with any setting i've tried from the WAN just fyi

I'll check telnet and post response

[Terry]

OK, now that I too am at work I can give you that exact setup that allows you to check from the WAN side.

In your client, you need Athuentication enabled for SMTP, SMTP port 465 and it requires SSL (sorry about that earlier!).  For IMAP, port 993 and SSL.  This config works on my setup.

As for port 465 on the server.  It will be opened/listening on when you enable SSMTP (Secure SMTP).  If you don't enable that, this whole exercise is a waste of time.  For IMAP, make sure you have Allow private and public (secure IMAPS).  You can only use Secure IMAP when working from the WAN side, connections on port 143 will be blocked.

Since there was the whole conversation about DNS earlier, we still don't know if it is correct.  Use your PUBLIC Ip instead for now when setting up the client.  That way you don't have to worry about MX, CNAME and A records.
Is it possible your company is blocking access out on ports 993 and 465, just for this reason?  Post your domain name/IP so we can test the WAN side.

[Agent86]

smtp.foolishlys.com and foolishlys.com have different IP addresses.

Are they suppose to ?

Tomorrow from work I'll post my DNS settings for A records, C records MX records

I did not try pop3 from work either to see if that works, I was setting up the client at work with IMAP just fyi

Thanks for the help I'll post again from work in the morning

[william_syd]

Are they suppose to ?

Well, you did say foolishlys.com works but smtp.foolishlys.com does not.

If they have different IP's I don't see how they can operate the same.

It would appear you have smtp.foolishlys.com going to a Yahoo address and not your SME.

Alias smtp.foolishlys.com to foolishlys.com with a C record.

[Agent86]

Correction foolishlys.com does not work from the WAN either, only from the LAN and smtp.foolishlys.com does not work from the LAN or the WAN

sorry

[Agent86]

OK, now that I too am at work I can give you that exact setup that allows you to check from the WAN side.

In your client, you need Athuentication enabled for SMTP, SMTP port 465 and it requires SSL (sorry about that earlier!).  For IMAP, port 993 and SSL.  This config works on my setup.

As for port 465 on the server.  It will be opened/listening on when you enable SSMTP (Secure SMTP).  If you don't enable that, this whole exercise is a waste of time.  For IMAP, make sure you have Allow private and public (secure IMAPS).  You can only use Secure IMAP when working from the WAN side, connections on port 143 will be blocked.

Since there was the whole conversation about DNS earlier, we still don't know if it is correct.  Use your PUBLIC Ip instead for now when setting up the client.  That way you don't have to worry about MX, CNAME and A records.
Is it possible your company is blocking access out on ports 993 and 465, just for this reason?  Post your domain name/IP so we can test the WAN side.

I was too busy at work to work on it, I have access to the computer VPN from here so I'll fool with it a little on sat

As far as the IP and domain goes =  www.foolishlys.com and www.iclbiz.com  The IP for both is: 70.91.72.77

Here is some snapshots of my settings:
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/1.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/2.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/3.jpg

Anyhow webmail works great, anywhere, but would like figure this out so I can inform the other users how to setup their clients, it's got to be something simple that I'm just missing
I'll double check all the settings and try some more
Thanks

[Terry]

Well, I can connect to ports 465 and 993 from here, so I'd say you are doing something wrong with the client.  The ports seem to be open.

[Terry]

I just set my client to connect to your box and it works just fine.  Work on your client settings.

[pfloor]

OK, now that I too am at work I can give you that exact setup that allows you to check from the WAN side.

In your client, you need Athuentication enabled for SMTP, SMTP port 465 and it requires SSL (sorry about that earlier!).  For IMAP, port 993 and SSL.  This config works on my setup.

As for port 465 on the server.  It will be opened/listening on when you enable SSMTP (Secure SMTP).  If you don't enable that, this whole exercise is a waste of time.  For IMAP, make sure you have Allow private and public (secure IMAPS).  You can only use Secure IMAP when working from the WAN side, connections on port 143 will be blocked.

Since there was the whole conversation about DNS earlier, we still don't know if it is correct.  Use your PUBLIC Ip instead for now when setting up the client.  That way you don't have to worry about MX, CNAME and A records.
Is it possible your company is blocking access out on ports 993 and 465, just for this reason?  Post your domain name/IP so we can test the WAN side.

I was too busy at work to work on it, I have access to the computer VPN from here so I'll fool with it a little on sat

As far as the IP and domain goes =  www.foolishlys.com and www.iclbiz.com  The IP for both is: 70.91.72.77

Here is some snapshots of my settings:
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/1.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/2.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/3.jpg

Anyhow webmail works great, anywhere, but would like figure this out so I can inform the other users how to setup their clients, it's got to be something simple that I'm just missing
I'll double check all the settings and try some more
Thanks

Webmail works because it is connecting with HTTPS and not SMTP.

Your DNS settings are not correct.  HTTP(S) points to your server but everything else including smtp.foolishlys.com and mail.foolishlys.com piont to a yahoo mail server.

The CNAME settings that you posted won't work.  It shows *.foolishlys.com points to a yahoo hostname.  Anything other than foolishlys.com or www.foolishlys.com will be directed to a yahoo server.  The way you have it setup will never work.

Currently (from the pictures)you have:
Host foolishlys.com > [your.ip.address] (This is the only setting that apears to be correct.)
Host www.foolishlys.com > [you.ip.address] (You need to remove this.  www.domain.com is not a host name and should not be an A record.  It is actually a CNAME.
CNAME *.foolishlys.com > yahoo server (This is where you are having all your problems, you must get rid of this or fix it if you can.)
MX record does foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com.  (This looks OK but if it you primary MX record it should be set to 5).

You need to configure your DNS settings and your MX record properly.  I have never used a yahoo account so you ar going to have to read their instructions.

It looks like (from the pictures anyway) by default that anything that is not specifically configured is directed to a yahoo server unless you tell it to do something else.

In the simplest terms you should have only 4 settings.

Host (or A record) foolishlys.com > [your.ip.address]
CNAME record www.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This one is actually not required but is recommended)
CNAME mail.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This is also not required but you may want this for your email client settings.)
MX record foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (this should have a preference of 5).

[william_syd]

In the simplest terms you should have only 4 settings.

Host (or A record) foolishlys.com > [your.ip.address]
CNAME record www.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This one is actually not required but is recommended)
CNAME mail.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This is also not required but you may want this for your email client settings.)
MX record foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (this should have a preference of 5).

CNAME smtp.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com

The OP has a desire to use smtp.foolishlys.com in their mail client.

[Agent86]

Well, I can connect to ports 465 and 993 from here, so I'd say you are doing something wrong with the client.  The ports seem to be open.

You could be right, but not sure how to do anything wrong ?

From the suggestions is pretty straight forward at least from what has been stated here in this post

I mean I've been setting up my client computers for years without any problem at all.

Perhaps the indication that my work WAN computers are blocking these ports or something

So what about from the LAN should I be able to setup the client with the same settings ?

I'll take screen shots of the client settings I guess to confirm I don't know what else to do at this point unless the work computers are being blocked

I'll try on a different computer from a different location and post back

Thanks

[Agent86]

In the simplest terms you should have only 4 settings.

Host (or A record) foolishlys.com > [your.ip.address]
CNAME record www.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This one is actually not required but is recommended)
CNAME mail.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This is also not required but you may want this for your email client settings.)
MX record foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (this should have a preference of 5).

CNAME smtp.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com

The OP has a desire to use smtp.foolishlys.com in their mail client.

And yes smtp. mainly for ease of use and setup for other users, this seems to be most normal for outgoing mail client setting, but I really could care less as long as I get it working for all users with ease and no problem with using standard email clients of all platforms

Anyhow thanks all for the help I'll get these setting corrected and try from there.
I have read the yahoo stuff and basically I mimicked what they appeared to have setup, and read all ther docs that lead me in that direction. I figured it was working since the website appeared to work and also the webmail, but was not aware the this could effect the way the clients may work.
I figured if I could sent mail from my work account or from my comcast account and it went to the server via webmail, and also sent mail via the server to other mail accounts I figured it was working, so anyhow thanks again
I'll post back

[Agent86]

In the simplest terms you should have only 4 settings.

Host (or A record) foolishlys.com > [your.ip.address]
CNAME record www.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This one is actually not required but is recommended)
CNAME mail.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This is also not required but you may want this for your email client settings.)
MX record foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (this should have a preference of 5).

CNAME smtp.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com

The OP has a desire to use smtp.foolishlys.com in their mail client.

I've adjusted the setting
you may have to refresh your browser to get the current image
Here is some snapshots of my settings:
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/1.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/2.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/3.jpg

But note: that if I removed settings that are not needed the Source is not adjustable on those 4 records and if I removed the destination it default to Yahoo Server in the destination field

So I basically filled in all the blanks
I'll try again and post the results

Let me know if you see anything wrong with this setup please
Thanks


Also the MX record does not allow me to go below a 10 setting a selection of 5 is no available

Thanks

P.S
Regarding
>
CNAME record www.foolishlys.com > foolishlys.com (This one is actually not required but is recommended)

When I attempt to add this record the system say that it will delete the system messege says:
___
Are you sure you want to add the following record?

www.foolishlys.com -> foolishlys.com

The following custom record(s) will be deleted to accommodate your request:
www.foolishlys.com -> 70.91.72.77
___

[william_syd]

Code: [Select]

Type:           Source:               Destination:
A Record        foolishlys.com        70.91.72.77
CNAME Record    www.foolishlys.com    foolishlys.com
CNAME Record    mail.foolishlys.com   foolishlys.com

If you can use wildcards in a CNAME record then you don't need the others.

Code: [Select]

Type:           Source:               Destination:
A Record        foolishlys.com        70.91.72.77
CNAME Record    *.foolishlys.com      foolishlys.com

[Agent86]

Code: [Select]

Type:           Source:               Destination:
A Record        foolishlys.com        70.91.72.77
CNAME Record    www.foolishlys.com    foolishlys.com
CNAME Record    mail.foolishlys.com   foolishlys.com

If you can use wildcards in a CNAME record then you don't need the others.

Code: [Select]

Type:           Source:               Destination:
A Record        foolishlys.com        70.91.72.77
CNAME Record    *.foolishlys.com      foolishlys.com

For CNAME Record    *.foolishlys.com      foolishlys.com

I get this when filling in the fields ?

Sorry, we cannot create that CNAME record. The source *.foolishlys.com cannot point to a subdomain of the same domain. Please choose a unique source or change the destination and try again.


Additionally pfloor wrote:
The CNAME settings that you posted won't work. It shows *.foolishlys.com points to a yahoo hostname. Anything other than foolishlys.com or www.foolishlys.com will be directed to a yahoo server. The way you have it setup will never work.

But I am unable to change the source fields so when I put the destinations fields as either foolishlys.com or www.foolishlys.com I get that error message
?

[william_syd]

For CNAME Record    *.foolishlys.com      foolishlys.com

I get this when filling in the fields ?

Sorry, we cannot create that CNAME record. The source *.foolishlys.com cannot point to a subdomain of the same domain. Please choose a unique source or change the destination and try again.



?

Your screenshot showed that one already created.

Ensure you only have one A record.

[Agent86]

For CNAME Record    *.foolishlys.com      foolishlys.com

I get this when filling in the fields ?

Sorry, we cannot create that CNAME record. The source *.foolishlys.com cannot point to a subdomain of the same domain. Please choose a unique source or change the destination and try again.



?

Your screenshot showed that one already created.

Ensure you only have one A record.

Thats because the screen shot is wrong, you will notice that i'ts misspelled as foolishly.com instead of foolishlys.com (plural) and so in attempting to correct this I get that message, first I tried to delete the current setting, since it would not allow me to add the correct one you suggested

And the A records are those 2 by default and if I delete one then it defaults to Yahoo server, for the destination fields

I'm not sure what to do now

Here is my setup now
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/4.jpg

I'll try to fool with the client setting to see how these setting are working,?

[pfloor]

You need to get your DNS settings right before setting you clients.

Give me your login to yahoo and I will fix it for you.

[william_syd]

I'll try to fool with the client setting to see how these setting are working,?

Put the second A record back.

www.foolishlys.com > 70.91.72.77

mail and stmp appear to now be going to 70.91.72.77 which is good.

Your website appears parked that is why I say put the second A record back.

[Agent86]

I'll try to fool with the client setting to see how these setting are working,?

Put the second A record back.

www.foolishlys.com > 70.91.72.77

mail and stmp appear to now be going to 70.91.72.77 which is good.

Your website appears parked that is why I say put the second A record back.

Thanks
So I've got this now:
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/5.jpg

And not sure what to do with *.foolishlys.com setting destination now for CNAME I'm guessing leave it alone ?

I assume since I have the mail.foolishlys.com and the smtp.foolishlys.com that I won't have to have *.foolishlys.com but I really don't understand why they would make me do that, or why it would list *.foolishlys by default then not allow me to add the proper destination as foolishlys.com ?

Thanks for all the help

[Agent86]

OK, now that I too am at work I can give you that exact setup that allows you to check from the WAN side.

In your client, you need Athuentication enabled for SMTP, SMTP port 465 and it requires SSL (sorry about that earlier!).  For IMAP, port 993 and SSL.  This config works on my setup.

As for port 465 on the server.  It will be opened/listening on when you enable SSMTP (Secure SMTP).  If you don't enable that, this whole exercise is a waste of time.  For IMAP, make sure you have Allow private and public (secure IMAPS).  You can only use Secure IMAP when working from the WAN side, connections on port 143 will be blocked.

Since there was the whole conversation about DNS earlier, we still don't know if it is correct.  Use your PUBLIC Ip instead for now when setting up the client.  That way you don't have to worry about MX, CNAME and A records.
Is it possible your company is blocking access out on ports 993 and 465, just for this reason?  Post your domain name/IP so we can test the WAN side.

Ok from the LAN this is where I'm at:
I've setup the client using the IP address since I have had no luck with the client at all from the LAN and still do not know if my work client WAN is blocking ports etc. I'll work on that later, one thing at a time.

For now from LAN here is what I get with all the different setting on the client for incoming and outgoing mail.
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/6.jpg


Here are my setting for reference:
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/7.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/8.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/9.jpg
http://www.foolishlys.com/iclbiz/10.jpg

And this one account is setup for IMAP not POP3 just fyi

Basically I've tried other ports and different smtp.?? settings and different TLS selections and no TLS and all combonations of the various selections available etc. and now the IP address from the LAN I don't get it.

all other clients for other global mail work fine

And note that when I set the mail client outgoing server from the LAN to .foolishlys.com or .iclbiz.com it works fine, no problems there, and no authentication or TLS or SSl etc.All of those settings will send and receive mail, However when setting up authentication when I start the email client I always get the message directing me that the server does not support this and to try turning off secure authentications.
I've tried all variations of the other secured selectsion TLS SSL no TLS and never etc. but all the same effect unless I de-select authentication altogether then I can send and recieve mail and then the client is started I do not get that message again.
 ?I really don't know what my benifits are for using smtp.and authentication but I only know that the smtp.??? seems to be the typical client setup for users that are accustom to that method.

Thanks

[william_syd]

I've tried all variations of the other secured selectsion TLS SSL no TLS and never etc. but all the same effect unless I de-select authentication altogether then I can send and recieve mail and then the client is started I do not get that message again.


Thanks

As in picture 8, just deselect Use secure authentication.

[Agent86]

I've tried all variations of the other secured selectsion TLS SSL no TLS and never etc. but all the same effect unless I de-select authentication altogether then I can send and recieve mail and then the client is started I do not get that message again.


Thanks

As in picture 8, just deselect Use secure authentication.

but smtp never does work from the LAN but when setting outgoing to simply foolishys.com it is working.
I'm not getting my client at work to work properly perhaps it's as was suggested earlier that the those ports are being blocked

I cannot send or recieve mail via IMAP and assume the same for POP3 but I'll try some more and ask the admin at work if the ports are blocked

Then I'll post back, also I'll try another computer from another location directly connected to the internet, and try some more and post my findings

I'm still curious why I cannot set smtp.foolishlys.com or what the actual difference really is ? for outgoing mail client.

I sincerely appreciate all the help.

[william_syd]

but smtp never does work from the LAN but when setting outgoing to simply foolishys.com it is working.

Server-manager, Configuration, Hostnames and addresses.

Do you have stmp.foolishlys.com set as self ?

[Agent86]

Do you have stmp.foolishlys.com set as self ?

No I don't
Crap LOL, I thought that it was in there by default I never even thought of checking in there

I'll add a new host for that now ?

I'm guessing this means I should add host for smtp.foolishlys

I'll post my results

Thanks

[william_syd]

I'm guessing this means to do it ?

Thanks

yes please

[Agent86]

I'm guessing this means to do it ?

Thanks

yes please

And does this require a reconfig restart when adding new hosts ?

[william_syd]

I'm guessing this means to do it ?

Thanks

yes please

And does this require a reconfig restart when adding new hosts ?

If, after doing something in server-manager, you DO NOT get any red text then no further action is required.

[Agent86]

Ok I feeling very dense now

I am so far behind the curve I really need to get further Linux education.

I would speculate that by adding the host name smtp.foolishlys.com to the server-manager / configuration that my problem is solved

I will post back my results
SME forums just keep getting better

And thanks for the help and to everyone for helping on this subject

[william_syd]

I would speculate that by adding the host name smtp.foolishlys.com to the server-manager / configuration that my problem is solved

For then LAN at least.

[Agent86]

For the LAN I could not get any mail to work on ports 993 and 465, I just used standard ports 143 and 25 for the client machine and no authentication. And LAN clients are fine now?

I'm concerned that it's not secure.Why would it not work properly from the LAN on those ports if that is how it is suppose to work ?

I don't care really for the most part, but if by default I am suppose to use ports 993 and 465 and authentication then it should work ?

I believe my work computer could be blocking ports however not working on ports 143, and 25 as with the LAN, nor is WAN client from work working on 465, 993 ports either with any configurations of authentications, SSL with or without etc.
 
I'll test this again from another computer directly connected to the Internet and post back

Thanks